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[00:00:00] This is probably one of the most requested shows ever. We're going to talk about online collaboration. We'll the stuff that's needed, absolutely needed for working from home. So stick around for the whole show. We got a lot to talk about.

Of course, you're listening to Craig Peterson. I am so glad you're here. Online Craig peterson.com. In fact, that's where I've been getting a lot of feedback from you guys. I want to thank everybody that sent me a note, talking about the types of things you want to learn more about. Today that's precisely what we will be talking about.

We're going to go through the top online collaboration tools that are out there. We'll be talking about WebEx, which is by far my most favorite. It's what we use because of the security, the flexibility. But we're going to get into that. We're going to talk about Zoom and that's what we used for my daughter's wedding couple of weeks ago.

[00:01:00] Why would we use that? What it's so insecure. We're going to get into zoom's biggest features. Microsoft Teams is a fairly new player on the block, but we're going to talk about them and the pros and cons.

Then the granddaddy of them all. We're going to be talking about, Gotomeeting. They've been around a very long time. They have pros, they have cons. We're going to be talking about that as well.

We have a number of articles to get to in this week's news. But we'll see just how far we can get with some of those things. But there are two things we have to get to right now at the top of the show. And one of them is about the latest windows 10 upgrade that they came up with.

Now, the May updates are starting to roll out, in a little bit better speed. Now, if you can believe it here we are the middle of June and the Windows 10th of May. It's starting to roll out to everybody because of all of the problems.  Unfortunately, that's the big problem we're seeing right now with windows 10, version 2004.

[00:02:00] Now, if you have a computer, one of the best things you can do for that computer to. protect your data from a crash, not from the bad guys, but from a crash is to have something called RAID, which stands for redundant array of inexpensive disks. The idea here behind raid is that you can have more multiple disc drives and it will store the data on those multiple disc drives, but it stores it in such a way that if a block goes bad on one of those drives, it can pull that block from another drive because essentially it keeps two copies of all of the data, technically. It's not really two copies, but we don't need to get into that right now.

[00:03:00] So if you lose a whole desk or you lose a part of a desk, even as small as one block, hopefully, it can be recovered. Now there are a lot of different types of raid out there. Many of them are done in hardware and can provide you with some really great defense. Those are the ones I've been using for probably about 30 years now.

Now with my customers, but there's something else that I've been using for almost as long ever since it came out, it was developed by Sun Microsystems and it's a file system called ZFS. Now. It's absolutely amazing. It is continually, every time you read that disc, it is checking the checksums, see if anything might be wrong with it, if there's anything wrong with it, it recovers that block because there's something known as bitrot when we're talking about computers and discs and even memory, frankly, but particularly with disks.

[00:04:00] That is over time mathematically, we can figure out how much of that data you haven't changed that is stored there, the emails, but more importantly, things like your accounting files, et cetera. How just individual bits can decay, literally decay, because remember they're magnetic, remember they're on magnetic media. Nowadays that magnetic media is usually on a piece of glass.

That's sitting inside that disc drive decays, the problem is that the numbers change. So you can have something that says a million dollars and because of bit rot, it changes too. Again, good change to zero, right? because just one bit flips from a one to a zero. That's all it takes. You could lose data storage because a bit flips inside your directory structure. You can lose bits on the disks at any time and they do decay over time.

[00:05:00] I remember there's a French aerospace manufacturer who we put a proposal to, and I did all of the math. I showed all of the research or some great Ph.D. research that I had found that showed how over time, regular raid devices are not going to help them with longterm retention of the data. They made parts for airplane engines and they had to keep all of the data, all of the scans, the X rays, everything they did, they had to keep it for decades. As long as that blade that was in that turbofan for that engine for a plane, as long as that blade was out there in the field, in use, they had to keep all of the original data.

 I showed them all of the studies, cause I knew what they were looking at. They were looking at just standard grade stuff, Hitachi data systems and some others and, pretty high end, very expensive hardware.

[00:06:00] I showed how they, it was impossible for them to keep that data longterm. If they put it into a normal raid system. I proposed, this was some years back, but I proposed a system, where there multiple machines, and each machine had what was called the ZFS, which is a Zelda file system on it. Then on top of all of those machines was another distributed file system and I showed how they would not ever lose any data for decades and decades.

Now they'd have to replace just drives as they went bad and we have the system set up, so it would inform them about a bad drive so they could replace it. They could actually lose three drives with an each one of these data set handlers, just a fantastic system. It is the type of system we've been using for our clients forever, because nowadays just under the federal rules of civil procedure that every business has to follow you have to have plans in place to keep things like the purchase orders, the bills you send out, even emails have to be retained longterm. IRS and others require you to have retention policies in place and to keep that data and you can't do that with raid for longterm.

[00:07:00] I brought all of this up because of what Microsoft is doing right now with windows 10, version 2004. Microsoft introduced something that is patterned after this ZFS that I talked about and ZFS is just phenomenal.

I typically use the Z-two or Z-three, for those of you that are really technical and know what that means, in order to help keep the data safe. And then. Of course, I encrypt it all push it up into cloud storage, which also has raid, but guaranteed, the data will never be lost. So Microsoft said all this is just wonderful. They came up with their own version. Apple came up with a version as well. They started to use ZFS. Then when Sun Microsystems went under basically their technology was acquired, and this particular ZFS technology, I think Oracle that managed to glom onto it.

[00:08:00] There wouldn't be licensing issues. Apple said, okay, we got to do our own thing. So Apple has some very cool advanced file system that is on the SSDs that are in so many of our machines today. So there's a lot of cool stuff.

Microsoft has storage spaces. Now I don't trust it. I never trusted it. I always use ZFS even in the Linux world where they've come up with their own version of the software. That's patterned after ZFS. ZFS has just been around for so long and is just so stable, that's what I use. Cause it's available. Really everything out there. But this particular thing I'm talking about storage spaces, a feature on Windows and Windows server, and it supports systems with multiple drives and lots of users put those drives together into bundles and create a pool of storage that you can then use to store your stuff.

[00:09:00] The idea is if a disc goes bad, just like raid, just like ZFS if a disc goes bad you can recover. Now, one of the beauties of the systems we've designed for our clients over the years on ZFS and you can do this yourself, if you're a little bit more advanced is, as I said. You can guarantee the data never goes bad because every time it's read, it is checked.

Now, if you're using hardware raid or some of these other storage systems that combined disks, it's rare that it's ever checked. Ever checked.

So you can check to make sure that raid array is working properly, but you cannot check that the data in that array has not been damaged. Maybe it was damaged by the raid controller itself, or the disc drive or the cashing function on the disc drive, or it lost the power at the exact wrong time. Now you lost even more of that data.

[00:10:00] Microsoft has come to yet, a new low. Should we call it a new low? Why not? Okay. A new low.  It turns out that their storage spaces software that's designed to keep your data safe. Apparently can mess up all of your data. How's that for fun?

And that's particularly from windows 10, version 2004, Microsoft apparently didn't bother testing it or at least testing it thoroughly enough. According to these articles, I'm seeing online, like right now, I'm looking at one from ZDNet. It's saying, when using some configurations partitioned first storage spaces might show as raw in disk manager. Microsoft has advised against running the check disk command on any device affected by this issue because fixing your desk is going to make things even worse.

[00:11:00] Oh my gosh. So if you're using storage spaces wise up, get something better.  Secondly, don't upgrade yet. It's just the May release. It's not out there yet.

Anyway, stick around guys. We'll be right back. You're listening to Craig Peterson and we've got a whole lot more coming up and yes, we're going to get to collaboration. I guarantee.

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[00:00:00] We just talked about NBC news to put their competition out of business when it comes to ZeroHedge. Now we're going to talk about what they did to the federalist. And what does it mean to free speech in America?

Hey everybody, Craig Peterson here. Thanks for being with me today. I'm a little worked up about this, as you can tell, and I'll probably already, I'm an immigrant to the United States. And I don't know, or sometimes I think the immigrant we care, I don't know that we care a little bit more, but we tend to be a little more vocal when some of our rights, the rights that we went out of our way to obtain. When those rights are taken away from us.

It's just crazy. NBC also was behind the crack down on the Federalist, according to Fox news, this is absolutely crazy. Now our friends over at Google said, no, not at all. we talked to the Federalist and yeah. yeah. they've straightened out their games, so we're not going to demonetize them. Can you believe that?

[00:01:00] No, I'm glad to learn of NBC newses role in trying to stop the Federalist from saying anything that might be conservative or libertarian heaven forbid. it's just absolutely crazy here, but. Many members of the media out there are activists and the disguise of journalists.

It's just, it's crazy. They're not reporting the news. So I think they've just exposed themselves for who they are. Frankly. It's clear that they don't have any objectivity. Now it's become even more clear. Ben Shapiro was talking about that this week as well. There's the Federalists ended up taking down the comments section after Google deemed it dead dangerous.

[00:02:00] And do you rogatory that's the part that just blows my mind away. And all the comment section, that's like the letters to the editor and then yeah. And I get it that it is more than way wild West, right? There are certain things newspapers would never have published in the editorial section, certainly, and would never publish in letters to the editor.

So I get that. But, and frankly, Looking at websites and some of the comments, some of these comments are just out outlandish. Unbelievable. so I get all of that stuff, but Hey man, we need an equal footing out there somehow. And, I don't know. I don't know where to go. I have been using partly.

Or parlor P A R L E R, which is a new app. It is also a website and it is a reality for free speech. That's what they're for. You can basically say anything on there. Obviously slander libel is not welcome there. But there are a lot of great conservative voices. So you might want to check it out. Parlor, P A R L E R and I do think he came from Parlay, which is a French word for all of that sort of thing.

[00:03:00] But man, things are, they've gone too far and I don't know what's going to happen. the typical pendulums swing we've seen over the years may or may not work now. Some of our listeners are going to be dropping off because my whole show is not carried on all stations.

And so I just want to let you know, we're going to be doing deep dives and you may miss part of it, but you can get. All of it. If you go to Craig peterson.com online. Okay. So we're talking about GoToMeeting, Cisco's WebEx. We'll be talking about Microsoft Teams and Zoom. We're doing deep dives into all of these.

[00:04:00] And if you're on my email list, we're working right now. On a special report that totally deep dives into all of this stuff and tells you the pros and cons. we're putting together a little table of some of the features on these. We might be adding a couple of others as well beyond these four, which are really the top ones out there.

We're not going to be getting into. Slack really, because although that is somewhat of a collaboration platform and it does have some conferencing abilities, it's really not like the other one. So I don't know that we'll really get into that one very much, but a sock is something I've used over the past.

I don't use it anymore. Cause I'm using Cisco WebEx, which has pretty much all of the features. That Slack has, they were aiming for Slack parody in some of the angles. And then of course they're much better than Slack in some of the other angles. So if your station is dropping me off, make sure you're on my email list.

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So Craig peterson.com/subscribe. And we're getting, going into all of that here in just a few minutes, as I said, a lot of you guys are going to be dropping off. So before you drop off, I want to let you know about a couple of big issues this week. We already talked about Windows 10, 2004. Now that's not, when it was released, Microsoft has gone to this.

[00:07:00] Basically they have data daily, internal builds, and then they named the release after the build number. So it's 2004 and the major problem that's happening right now with their rate alternative. If you miss that, make sure you again, you can visit me online. Craig peterson.com or. Just subscribe to my podcast as well.

It's everywhere. And I described what it was, what it's all about, but we also have a major problem right now with a link. we are not upgrading our firewalls. We're not upgrading our wi-fi routers. Particularly in our homes. And how many of us as business people are using consumer-grade homes systems to track I'm protecting our small businesses.

[00:08:00] We see it every day. We just on a Thursday this week, I was talking. With one of our lead techs and he was helping a business that helps businesses with their networks and securities and backups. And it turned out that they had a major problem. That they weren't aware of at all until we installed some special security software, the stuff we use with all of our clients.

And we found out that his backup software was not anywhere near compliant with even the most basic of regulations. It's just crazy. But anyway, we have to upgrade the firmware in our routers. So right now we've got a new release from de-link that we're getting warnings about from everywhere. They've got a firmware update to address three major security flaws that are impacting one of their home router models.

[00:09:00] So they're not going to mention the model number because I want you guys, everybody, whether you're running on something from dealings or from somebody else, make sure you upgrade it. But, this is just crazy here. They've got a command injection attack problem. They've got a cross-site request, forgery high severity, by the way, both of these critical severities, it goes on and on they're pseudo-random number generator, major problem, by the way, not fixed.

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[00:00:00] Hey, do you know what demonetization is? Besides being a trend, it is in fact making a major impact on what you see online. So we're going to get into that right now.

Hi, everybody, of course, Craig Peterson here. Thanks for joining me.  This is just something that's been bothering me all week. I have to talk about this. It's been in the news. I went to Google news and did a search for this and you know what? It doesn't show up in Google news anymore.

This is crazy because it really hit all of the news probably Wednesday this week. It's crazy, but here's what's happened. Google banned a website called Zero Hedge from its ad platform. We've been looking at this for a while, what would happen, what's going on with these ad platforms, right?

[00:01:00] If you're basically libertarian as if you're conservative, you don't want to shut down free speech. If you are a socialist, a communist, a fascist, of course, want to shut down free speech. And that's exactly what's been happening here. Places like Zero Hedge require advertising revenue in order to stay in business.

Is that what news organizations have done for forever? You have an article, people read your newspaper, your magazine, your website, in order to get at that article, you've got ads, right? Used to be, you'd have classified ads and one section of the newspaper. You'd go to the C section and that was sports, or maybe it was B in your newspaper and there'd be ads for sportspeople in that. Ads for things like that, baseball, gloves or games, or maybe more movies.

[00:02:00] There are things they thought you'd be interested in. We're in that section of the newspaper. In the business section, they're not going to have ads that are for kids' clothes. That's very unlikely. But that's how they stay in business. It's all about advertising and in the advertising revenue.

So what's happening right now. What's going on, and why is this happening? It's happening more and more. Frankly, it's getting scarier and scarier. The left has figured out that if they complain if they say I was insulted by this content, they found that they will pull the content. What happened to the days when the editorial page had all kinds of stuff on it. Frankly, it was designed in some ways to insight to get people to talk about it.

[00:03:00] Cause that means we're thinking about it, right? It's just like these statues that are being pulled down. The problem I have with it is if they're up, and we're talking about the things that these people had done that were evil, in some cases, we're talking about it, we're thinking about it. It's just like burying any part of history that we don't like, and don't agree with. Doesn't help us today. Yet, somehow these people just don't get it, do they? For somehow these people are saying, "Oh, we're going to tear this down and, they're tearing it down there. They're stopping free speech because they don't agree with it.

What happened to the days when universities were the place where free speech was praised, right? You remember way back when you might be too young to remember this? I know, I'm, iffy too young to remember some of this stuff, but it used to be that in universities, there was very liberal thought. No. I'm not talking about liberal the way that for instance, Hillary Clinton defined it, which was early 20th century liberals in the United States, which was the renamed, the communist party of America, which people didn't like, so they changed it to the liberal party.

[00:04:00] Same people, same methodologies, same thinking, same idiocy. We seem to forget about that. That somehow frees speech is bad. Does that make sense to you? The speech that should be protected the most is probably the most incentive sort of speech. Because people who are saying things that are racist or otherwise are obviously idiots at the very least. Now we know they're not people that you really should be hanging out with. Don't you? Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense to me. So the left, which once touted itself as a bastion of free speech when conservatives were running the universities, nowadays, not so much. We can't have conservative speech on campus.

[00:05:00] We're going to protest, we're going to riot. We're going to get rid of it. We're going to stop it, which is really concerning to me. So that's why I had to print this up, right? Yeah. Yeah. We're going to get into the online collaboration tools.

I think it's an important thing for us to discuss, but so is this. So Google banned the website, Zero Hedge from its ad platform. That's Demonetization. In other words, Zero Hedge. If it was reliant on ads from Google, which it was in order to generate revenue, can no longer generate revenue from that side.

[00:06:00] Now the part of the problem is as a conservative or libertarian, we look at it and say, okay, Google has the right to do, basically whatever it wants with its platform. That's our knee jerk reaction. Of course, the left's knee jerk reaction is that's evil. You can't no, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't have that speech.

The problem we have right now when we're starting to see this president, Trump's been talking about it. But the problem that we have right now is Google and Facebook and Twitter. Some of these other platforms are protected under the law as an open forum. So if somebody says something on one of those sites that are offensive, or maybe even would normally be considered, something that under tort law could be prosecuted. It doesn't matter because they are protected.

[00:07:00] So now here they are, they're protected from publishing people, publishing things on their platforms that other people might be offended by, or that might be against the law, Frankly, in any other platform. They are censoring what's being said. So in this case, Google banned a Zero Hedge from its ad platform over comments that were made on articles about the riots that are going on.

No, of course, the news, if they reported it at all, NBC reported it as a Google's banning website, Zero Hedge from its ad platform over comments on protests. Again, civil libertarians conservatives were all for free speech. If you want to have a group of people in the streets, protesting something, by all means, please do it.

It's part of free speech. Its part of what so many lives have been lost over so much blood has been shed over in this country is free speech. So do it, however, rioting doesn't fit in.

[00:08:00] Google said, "because of things users have commented because of things that comments have said on your platform, we're going to ban you now."

Behind this is NBC. Apparently it was NBC that reported this to Google saying, Oh, people who are saying bad things about the protests going on, they're calling them riots and rioters, and we've got to stop that. In other words, one news platform complaining about another news platform.

[00:09:00] To get them to put out of business because that's effectively what happens when you are demonetized? So when we get back a little bit more to talk about this here, this is because guess what? It's not just Zero Hedge. It's the Federalist, another conservative online news site.

 Stick around. We'll be right back. This is Craig Peterson and online Craig peterson.com.

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[00:00:00] We've talked about GoToMeeting. We've talked about Zoom. We've talked about Microsoft teams. Now it's time to talk about my favorite. How should you be collaborating in your business? Maybe your organization, your agency there's really. Only one solution and I'll tell you why.

Hey, welcome back everybody. Craig Peterson here. We have had quite a week this week and it's been quite a year, right? It's a Jumanji season. I don't know if you've ever seen that movie, but I think somebody playing Jumanji was set here in New Hampshire and the latest Jumanji movies out. It's actually pretty good.

I watched it. With the grandkids. I can count. I quite enjoyed it always. There are some issues with it and yeah, you have to ignore those things. but anyway, that's me. So we've been talking about online collaboration tools. Now, if you're like most of us and you had to have some people working from home.

[00:01:00] So even if you're. A business that was considered essential. And you had people who were in the office all day, maybe your County people worked from home. Maybe if you had to deal with an attorney, it was remotely. It was from my home. And how did you do that? We've been going into businesses lately that have been having troubles and having a look at this very question, how did they do it?

And I think really it boiled down to one of two products that people were using. One of them. Was the Microsoft team's product. And I was actually quite surprised to see the number of companies that were using the service go WebEx teams big. Now I was surprised because I didn't know that many people really knew about it.

[00:02:00]How many people knew about it? WebEx Teams? It was frankly, it was a surprise to me, but WebEx Teams is the only product out there right now that is fully compliant with the federal government requirements. So that includes things like D FARs fed ramp, et cetera. Microsoft is. Promising that they will be compliant.

Sometime in July, but at this point, they're not compliant. So if you have HIPAA regulations that you have to follow, or you have  I tar, or any of these other federal government requirements, there's only one option. And that's WebEx teams. Now, oftentimes when there is a government mandate to use something it's terrible.

[00:03:00] How many times have you had that? You have to get her driver's license in order to drive on the road, not only in your state but another state. So that. Is a terrible experience, right? Going to the DMV, trying to get that all taken care of. It's not something I look forward to, but do you get even into the worst spots?

I remember doing some work for the US Navy. As a subcontractor and all of the hoops who had to jump through all of the things that we had to do. And that was a few years back. Now, we're doing work with government subcontractors that are doing work for the US Navy. And I thought after these years, things would be a lot tighter.

And in fact, they are. In fact, the new regulations, the CMMC regulations are much tighter with way more teeth on them. People will be going to jail. We're talking about huge multi multimillion-dollar fines, right? Even for a small company. So it is a very bad thing here to mess up on some of these regulations.

[00:04:00] So I've been surprised when I go in and find them using things like Microsoft teams, heaven forbid they've been using Zoom, which they have been. And they are a federal government subcontractor, in fact, for the DOD department of defense. Because again, what did we talk about? All those stuff, rather through China and China, isn't just, looking for military information.

China is looking for information from our companies that they can use to compete against us are designed designs that they can use. They're selling it to their allies. The same thing is happening over North Korea. An article came out just this week. That North Korea has 7,000 and highly trained hackers.

[00:05:00] That is aiming directly at our businesses here in the US in order to cause economic harm, but also those hackers to gain access to potential military information. So think about that. Think about how bad all of that's Tel fizz and. Companies just don't understand what they should be using. So yeah, you had an excuse during COVID to not use something that's secure.

I do get that. Believe me, don't know that the governor, the regulators are going to be happy with you. You may go to jail, but. I understand it. So for instance, for the HIPAA requirement, those were loosened because of COVID-19 the federal government said, Hey, listen, if you're a doctor in one state, you don't have to get licensed in another state in order to do the telemedicine stuff that made just a ton of sense.

And they also, because of that loosened some of the HIPAA regulations, which they pretty much had to do. Cause they didn't loosen the HIPAA regulations. You couldn't do the Teladoc across state lines. And you sure as heck could not do Teladoc using zoom. So they just loosened it all up, but that's not going to last.

[00:06:00] All right. So start paying more attention to some of this. Now, some of these Teladoc things have their own platforms, your doctor, you get paid per whatever it is, hour or patient, whatever it might be. And you're not worried about the platform. And you're probably okay. If that platform is not secure in just speaking in general terms.

Because you don't know anything about it, but some of these telemedicine companies that have these apps, et cetera, should be anyways, that gets into WebEx teams here. Some of the advantages that have made it the most Bueller web conferencing solution today. Number one, it's a software as a service. You just have to subscribe to the surface, you have internet access and you're ready to go.

[00:07:00] WebEx teams are also one of the oldest out there that you can use. And I think that's really cool when you get right down to it. And remember I mentioned a little bit early. that, it was the GoToMeeting was one of the older ones that were out there. You might remember some of the ads I do from WebEx, that it has been around a long time, but WebEx was founded in 1995.

It really is the grandpa out there. It has been doing the software, this meeting software for a long time. So it works everywhere. You, unlike zoom, you do not have to have a desktop app to do pretty much everything or anything that you might want to do on WebEx, which is a very big advantage. You don't have to have a download your audience.

[00:08:00] Doesn't need to be a subscriber to watch and listen. Which is not true for some of these other products that we've talked about today. It also, I think it very successfully combined your online viewing with the ability to teleconference easily. And you can connect to the webinar via just the webinars access code.

You can have passwords and whatever you might want to do. And this lots of presenters know who is actually there during the presentation. You don't have to have a time consuming, roll call or anything else. It's right there. You have. Also, of course, the chats, you have the questions and answers and you can have automatically in this space, a meeting, just take place as scheduled one or just ad hoc.

So let's say you have a space in WebEx teams, that's for the team to discuss some part of some project. And so you're going back and forth. I said, okay, look, let's just hop on right now. you just hit the button, the meat button and. Poof up at comes. You're now in a meeting and people can call in on the phone.

[00:09:00] They can connect via their smart device. Anybody that's in the room's going to get notified that there's a meeting on right now can go from your desktop. It is phenomenal. Just a simple click is all it takes. Then anybody who's in the meeting can present. You can use a built-in whiteboard, it can take remote control of your computer.

Are you kidding me? Why would anyone not use this? And it's using the military-grade encryption that we were talking about earlier, right? The exact opposite of what zoom has been using it also. Allows you to do what we do ourselves, from what we do for our, government subcontractors that are, we host the event.

The encryption key for all of the meetings and all of the communications. So the only way anyone can see any of this stuff. There was in a meeting is to have this encryption key is absolutely phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. You also have your own site. So for instance, my company has a site at, company named.webex.com.

[00:10:00] If you want to meet with me again, it's just. Company name.webex.com/meat sauce. Craig Tata, you are done. They've got tons of training articles for subscribers to use. It uses a proprietary network that has no food all over the world. It's reliable. It's secure. It is absolutely amazing. You have to use it.

You have to try it. And I advise people to use WebEx over anything else for almost anything. All right. You and you're going to have conferences. For instance, my room allows up to 10,000 people into it, 10,000. where else can you get that? But you don't have to have that bigger room if you don't need it.

[00:11:00] It is just phenomenal share files. Oh, videos, chat back and forth. Multiple spaces are what WebEx calls them. Ad hoc meetings, conferences. It is the tool to use. And you can find out a lot more by just going to webex.com. If you would like a demo, you can just get one right there. I'm not going to make a dime off of it.

Okay. It's not like I own WebEx or own any stock in it. Cause I don't, but it is the way to go. And if you'd like me to help you with it, that's a different story. You can get help from me about almost anything we talked about here on the show. You can just email me ME at Craig peterson.com and we help people out every day.

It doesn't have to do with WebEx. Doesn't have to do with anything that you're buying from me. I just make myself on my team available. We have a, an offer going where we had 20 companies that we selected from people that applied, that we provided an hour of tech support for anything they wanted. So that went really well.

[00:12:00] We've done that before. We may be doing the. The whole cyber health assessment thing. Again, we'll see how that goes. We did those for free about a year ago. So we may do that as part of our security summer this year, but the only way you find out about all of this stuff is to be on my regular emails, my weekly emails.

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[00:00:00] We've talked about, go to meeting Microsoft teams. We've mentioned the WebEx teams. We've mentioned Zoom. Now we're going to start delving into that even more. We're going to be talking right now about Zoom, the pros, and cons. It's probably the one you've been using.

How do I know it's probably the one you've been using because that's been the default. Zoom has a lot of advantages and some serious disadvantages as well. So we'll talk a little bit about those, but the number one problem that we've had with Zoom over, frankly, the years has been security and lies.

Did you know that Zoom has misrepresented so many times about, their ability to encrypt what they're doing, where they're routing? It is been, it's just been crazy what these guys have been up to. So it is not end-to-end encrypted. Let's just start with that, which means that anybody who is potentially in the middle.

[00:01:00] What'd you is, by the way, Zoom itself is somebody who can listen in on the conversation. Now, remember what I said about Zoom and that their developers are, many of them are at least I think it might be most of them, but they're in China. And we had a big story that I don't think we're really talked about on the radio here, but it had to do with China and zoom routing people's phone calls.

To China, which was absolutely a huge thing, then zoom had excuses for it. we have data centers all over the world. We try and run them back and forth. Oh, okay. Yeah, exactly. I absolutely get it. Yeah. But there are articles online, have a look at the intercept. For instance, they are generating their encryption keys in China for Zoom that had to absolutely credible zoom has also just in the last week or so it's been exposed.

[00:02:00] They have been. Cutting off some of the Zoom user's meetings, because China objected to China. Didn't want some of these people who were talking about China and some of the bad things China has been doing. And in reality, we haven't been talking about these anywhere near enough here in the United States.

But Zoom has capitulated to the Chinese government, the socialist over there. It's absolutely amazing. What has it been going on? And they're using some old versions of encryption that have been easily hacked. They've got the worst type of AES keys out there. Those the researchers have confirmed that they're using 128-bit keys for their communications.

[00:03:00] In other words, Even the encryption that they have, which is extremely limited, is extremely yeah. Poor. It's just amazing. Keep saying, Oh, we're fixing it or we have fixed it and they keep getting caught in what the media has been calling lies again. And again. And these encryption keys in China and routing the data through China and capitulating to what China wants him to do.

I don't know about you, but to me, that's a very big concern, These guys just have not been upfront and honest with people. it's a terrible situation. So Zoom is something I absolutely would never. Use for anything that really mattered. So if you're talking about some business process that might be confidential, if you're talking about some intellectual property things, Which is confidential business information. If you're talking about banking information, if you're talking to your accountant, if you're talking about anything that could be used by hackers or Nation-States anybody malicious. Don't use Zoom. Now I get it. I understand why people used it. I have used Zoom and I'm probably still going to continue to use Zoom for certain things.

[00:04:00] The big advantages to Zoom are. Number one it's easy to use and set up and manage. It is quite straightforward. Now. Unfortunately, unlike WebEx teams, you do have to install a client. You have to install software on your computer. Guess what? That's another area. Zoom has been caught doing some things that are very poor.

Practices from a programming standpoint and the nefarious. If you want to look at this through a slightly different lens, when it comes to Mac computers, they were installing a whole server on your computer that allowed remote access to pretty. Everything on your computer. Can you believe these guys? Okay.

[00:05:00] It's really crazy, Zoom, you don't need IT team to manage it. You don't need to have somebody like me come in and get everything set up, help explain it to you. Cause there are not very many functions in it. There are not very many features. It's not like a WebEx team room and spaces that can all be.

Tied into other devices, get set up on your mobile devices. And maybe like I have sitting right here, I have this amazing WebEx team names displayed. It's just absolutely amazing. We were using it yesterday for a meeting and it has a built-in whiteboard and I'm just drawing on the screen. It's it is really quite impressive, but.

[00:06:00] You don't need any of that with Zoom. And that's why so many people went on and used it. And frankly, they've more than doubled in size over the last six months or so. It's been huge. So you would zoom, you can get up to a hundred participants, Penn standard on your Zoomer count. You can have a quick one on one meeting, which is handy.

You have your own zoom room. In fact, the zoom rooms have been where most of the Zoom bombing has been going on, where people drop in and it takes pornography in the middle of your meeting. It's been happening for schools. It's been happening for everybody. Who's been using them by the way. If you're a school, don't use Zoom, get something good.

Get again, WebEx teams, Hey, listen, we sell it. We use it. We do that because we love it. Believe me. It's just phenomenal. You can have your meetings on Zoom phone webinars, chats on zoom, which is really handy. They have conference rooms and mobile devices.

[00:07:00] I really like conference rooms. That's what I used to run. The FBI's InfraGard webinars for a couple of years. Works pretty darn well for that sort of stuff. Zoom also has some of these one-on-one or excuse me all in one and appliances, which makes it even simpler to deploy, manage, and scale the room experience.

But again, Those all in one appliance have been found to be anything but secure. It's just crazy. These guys, they just don't get it. They either don't know anything about security or they just don't care about it. So these all in one appliance has been shown from Zoom to be very insecure.

And it's very cheap. It's inexpensive to do it. And it does have some integration with Google and Microsoft. So you can use their app marketplaces over 200 integrations with things like Slack and PayPal and many others. In fact, that's what we did with the FBI InfraGard program. We had some that were paid, some of these meetings that were paid, and that went over like a lead balloon.

[00:08:00] Let me tell you. Yeah, but, at any rate, kind of one of the final straws when I left doing that for the FBI InfraGard program, because so much of this information, I'm trying to get it outright. Why should people have to pay for some of these webinars where the presenters are, volunteers, me running the webinars for the FBI InfraGard program, our volunteers, and then they start charging people.

And then they're, they in a couple of cases, they actually paid behind the scenes, the people who are doing the presentations, but for the most part, they weren't getting paid anyway. I don't know. Maybe that's a little inside baseball. Okay. Now, why am I still going to use Zoom? In some cases, Zoom is just what everybody knows.

It's what everybody uses. It just makes life so easy. And I think probably continue to use it for some people. Some people have a hard time with anything new, but you know what, now that the majority of people know how to use zoom, because they've had to, because of working from home. With the coronavirus thing, the Zoom is going to be a platform that's going to be around for quite a while.

[00:09:00] And yeah, it's got its drawbacks as I just talked about, but the fact that it's ubiquitous, everybody knows that everybody can use it. Everybody has used it. It is not going away anytime soon. So stick around if you missed any of today's show, make sure you go to Craig peterson.com. You'll find it all there as well as on your favorite cast app and stickers because we're going to talk about my favorite collaboration system.

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[00:00:00] We're going to finish up our discussion about Microsoft teams. What are some of the things you might want to use it for? What is this? How was it different from zoom and everything else on the market? So let's get going.

hi everybody. Craig Peterson here. Thanks for being with us today. I really appreciate all your comments to me  M E @craigpeterson.com. A lot of people just respond to my weekly show notes and. You get those by signing up for my email list to find out what's going on, what you should be doing, what free trainings we have, what paid courses there are.

And we are coming out with a free again, free. I'm trying to help out here. It really is for you. Okay. A free, special report about all of these apps we're talking about today. So Karen's been working really hard on that with me, and we hope to have it out either this week or maybe the week after.

[00:01:00] And it's going to be. Pretty detailed about some of the pros and cons, when you should be using it, what policies should you have in place for your employees? It comes to these collaboration apps. So I think it's a very. important topic, so many of us just knee jerk our way into this with the COVID-19 thing, and we needed something now, please, anything.

And we need jerked into zoom. Most of us, some of us started using Slack. All of these things are up in usage. In fact, WebEx had so many people applying for it because it's really the only one. If you're a business that you should be using, That they had to cut back. They were giving it away for free for two or three months.

[00:02:00] And even though they have a huge worldwide infrastructure. Sure. They still, I had some problems with the onboarding, getting everybody set up and ready. So there may or may not be free WebEx stuff going on right now. They're supposed to go. Maybe it was through the end of June until the end of July. I'm not sure what it is right now, but anyway, We're talking about Microsoft teams right now.

Okay. so as I mentioned at the very end with Microsoft teams, you need to integrate your Skype. Went in, we already know Skype is not. Considered to be overly secure. It was actually a little more security before Microsoft bought it. And then Microsoft changed its entire architecture to one where it goes through Microsoft servers.

And that way, if you're in China, Microsoft can sensor you. Or if the law enforcement agencies in the US want to hear what you're saying, Microsoft can provide it to them and they couldn't do it before. So yeah. A little bit of resentment there. You probably noticed in my voice, Danielle, back to Microsoft here, the second big thing is it has this integration that a lot of people.

[00:03:00] Yeah. looking forward to your business apps so you can use word Excel, PowerPoint, one-note planners, share 0.1 drive. All integrated with Microsoft teams. And that is a huge win because all of that stuff is right there. Now the integration isn't as clean or as neat or as easy as maybe it should be.

But it is there and it will get better over time. You can still use all of those tools, word, Excel, PowerPoint, et cetera, with pretty much anything. Any of these apps, they're all designed to be integrated to varying degrees, but yeah, Microsoft ultimately will win this battle. Because they own the source code, They own the programs. They're going to take care of themselves first. And they've been sued about that before. So no news there. Next point, customized workspace, and every team is different. So Microsoft teams is customizable so that you can integrate it with third-party apps, as well as Microsoft apps.

[00:04:00] That's really the trend right now. I see that across all of the industries, Cisco has done an interesting thing, and that is a couple of years ago, they decided to do a policy called API first. Now Microsoft is not doing this, but the whole idea behind API first is. That I'm like Microsoft that tries to play everything close to the chest and give itself advantages over all of its competitors.

And we've seen suits on that forever, like integrating internet Explorer, right into the kernels, supposedly. And so that you could not use other browsers. You always had to have a ye initially, and then they allowed other browsers, but you still had to have IE, and then the courts ruled against them yet again.

[00:05:00] And so unlike Microsoft's approach to try and lock you in, Cisco has decided that they want to make. All of the Cisco software uses the same interfaces that third-party vendors have to use. And that is phenomenal when it comes to integration. So if you want to use WebEx or WebEx teams or any component of any of the Cisco stuff, including their firewalls and the routers, et cetera, you can.

They've got APIs for everything. Cause that's the only way they can access their own software. It says absolutely phenomenal. So Microsoft teams do have some third party integration available on it, which can be handy. You also get real-time communications, which as I mentioned can be a problem.

[00:06:00] This isn't just true with Microsoft. This is true for WebEx teams and Slack and everything else out there. But it's real-time. So a smart person's going to do something different with email excuse me. something caught in my throat, email, you typically try and delay, right? I try and read my email once a day and that's it.

And if someone really needs to get ahold of me, they probably know how to really get ahold of me. So I'm not getting interrupted. I can work on the stuff I need to get to work on. No, I'm putting his stuff. Together for my lives, for my webinars, for my radio show for everything else. And if I get interrupted, particularly if I'm doing some programming work, it can cost me hours of time.

[00:07:00] So I put off email and only go through it maybe once a day. Sometimes I'll go two or three days without really paying attention to my email. So I apologize to you if you sent me an email and you're hoping for a quick answer, I don't always get back to you very quickly. I have other people in my team that's what it's four.

So when we're talking about communicating in real-time with some of these collaboration apps, It's a double edge sword. So instead of having emails, bouncing back and forth, which might take hours and hours, right? Because someone says something and half an hour later, another person reads it and responds now than that first-person an hour later, read to them response.

You can just have it go over very quickly. It's phenomenal for productivity. When you need quick productivity, the high priority initiatives that you have can really move a lot faster because it's not an email. It's not getting a push back while you're waiting. This is really instant messaging. Think of it like texting, So everybody can be on the same page with these teams apps you can see who has seen your messages. People can respond to them, they can start a thread. normally how does it work you on? You might send an email to everybody. Giving them an update, right? they reply to you, but maybe not to everybody that happens all of the time.

[00:08:00] I know people that I, I expect them to copy all because I, I've got two or three people on it that are need to know, and they don't, they just reply directly to me. with these types of teams, apps, everybody's on the same page. Everybody can see everything. This conversation with email can split into a bunch of different conversations with ideas, being directed at one person when it really should be a group discussion.

So keep that in mind as well. When you're considering some of these team's applications, everybody knows what's going on, what the status is, and productivity. Just keeps flowing. You're listening to Craig Peterson. Appreciate you being with me today. And of course, you can get me online as well. Craig peterson.com.

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[00:00:00] Well, we went into our first collaboration product and now we're going to get into our next product. And this one is actually more of a team collaboration rather than just a video conferencing setup. Really.

Can Gotomeeting has been around a long time, man? It has its pros and its cons and its pros really have to do with frankly how long it has been around because that makes it. More stable, right? They've been addressing every problem. They've seen every problem in the last, my gosh, how long has it been for them? 16 years.

So they go to my meeting, is a very, very stable product, something you might want to consider. I want to move into our next collaboration tool, which is Microsoft teams. Now, most businesses today are using a whole array of tools. And the reason I bring up Microsoft teams is that so many of us are using what's now called Microsoft three 65.

[00:01:00] It used to be called office three 65, but now it's Microsoft three 65, which is a little bit misleading because office three 65, depending on which level you were on, gave you access to all of Microsoft office tools and where you could get windows as well, windows licenses, they pull it all under one roof and.

As would be expected from Microsoft or frankly, almost any company out there. The price has risen and dramatically in some cases. So Microsoft three 65 has some inexpensive offerings we're talking just dollars per month. Or if you are an actual business, the need to get something done. Cares about having backups cares about having an email with the proper email filters in place and the cares to have some of these collaboration tools.

[00:02:00] While now you're in the 30, 40, $50 per person. Per month range, which is pretty high when you get right down to it. Not out of the ordinary, not just totally out of the question, but it starts getting much more expensive there, including things like Microsoft windows licenses themselves. So you can really make sure all of your software from Microsoft is up to date and that you have the appropriate licenses for it because many of us, unfortunately, just don't have that., Right?

 What's one of the reasons that we're not keeping our software up to date. One of the reasons that I've seen, again and again, is that Microsoft charges you in order to get an update in an upgrade. So, the first little bit of advice here is if you are a business, even as SO/HO, small office home office, make sure you get the enterprise versions of Microsoft three 65.

[00:03:00] And typically those start with an E and I don't recommend anything less than an E- three and it goes up from there. There's three and four and five and there's one and two and stuff. Uh, they change it frequently. So who knows this week, right? It might've changed. And I didn't notice, but either three is where you want to start.

And that's going to give you access to all of the basic stuff that you need. Now. Typically we'll put a Cisco email firewall in front of Microsoft and their outlook. And exchange servers. And the reason for that is the same email filter is just so much better than the stuff Microsoft is offering. Plus you also can still use, and you still do use the Microsoft filters, but once they've gone through those incredible Cisco filters, those Microsoft filters, just frankly, don't add up to much, not much at all.

[00:04:00] Well, that's what we normally do. But a lot of companies, they just stick with the regular Microsoft stuff. Now I get questions a lot of the time about Google and whether or not they should get to Google because Google has their Gmail, but they also have offerings for businesses. I have mixed feelings on that, but basically I say, no.

Don't use Google tools. Google has been decent at security. No question about it better than Microsoft that's for sure. Microsoft security is not their product. Let me tell you, but remember Google's product is you, even if you're paying them. They are watching your emails. They are selling that information and who knows whose hands it ends up in, even if it's supposedly anonymized.

[00:05:00] That doesn't mean it's truly anonymous data. That data can be de-anonymized. We talked about that on the show before. So we're talking about Microsoft and if you already have a Microsoft license, like the older office, three 65, or the newer licenses that are known as Microsoft three 65. You have the option of getting Microsoft teams.

And that's what a lot of people have done. Their saying, Hey, listen, we're already using all this Microsoft stuff. We're just going to start using teams. Now I have to give kudos to Microsoft because they have come a long way. Their software was terrible for years for a decade or more, just terrible. They would put every feature under the sun, into their software.

[00:06:00] Not that it worked, but people, when they're doing a selection, they're not looking for what they want. They're trying to eliminate the things they don't want. So if you're a vendor and you have some things missing in the mind of your prospect, You're not going to get that sale. It's just not going to happen, right?

So Microsoft would throw everything in, including the kitchen sink into their software. And most of them had a lot of bugs. Now, Microsoft, no has tons of bugs, still tons. It's crazy. And those bugs drive me nuts. Sometimes it's like the moment we talked about at the top of the show, major, major bug in some of their software, that's supposed to keep your data secure, basically from hard disk crashes and from data loss.

And in fact, is barely done the exact opposite. So I'm not a big Microsoft fan, but they're tools that they've been developing more recently for online news. Have been a lot better than anything they've had before. I guess that's faint praise, right? Because what they had before, well, it's just so terrible, but anyhow, Microsoft has their team's app.

[00:07:00] And a lot of businesses that are already using Microsoft have said, "Well, we'll just use their teams because, you know, it's Microsoft" and that's the employee they have used since day one, they tried to build up a name for themselves. They destroyed competitors by having people just waiting because they knew Microsoft is going to come up with something.

So we'll just wait and see because Microsoft announced something that not only did they not have in development, but apparently. We're barely even thinking about and just trying to put the competitors out of business and test the marketplace. Right? That's what it is. So where are you using these businesses today?

A whole bunch of different tools for communication and collaboration and Microsoft teams. It might be something not just for your business, but if you have a nonprofit or a small family business, something you might want to look at. Because teams are designed to be collaborative and it does tie in a lot of Microsoft's other tools.

[00:08:00] It allows you to deploy it company-wide and that can help to bring together employees. Now it can also make it so that your employees can't get anything done because they're constantly getting notes and messages from other employees, but. If your employees get some decent training and you can kind of help them out that overload the case and come with some of these teams, tools can basically go away.

So here are a few different ways that using a team tool could help you out your business. One company-wide chat, which is kind of handy. It helps you to get your overall company message into the hands of all of your employees. That's a very good thing. And that chat functionality is one of the main value adds of a team's application over something like Slack, that designed more for some typing back and forth, or some of these other things like go to meeting or zoom that are designed primarily for you to hold a meeting.

[00:09:00] All of the teams, apps, Microsoft, and WebEx, both have. What's called threaded conversations. Now you'll see that in Slack where someone will make a comment in a channel, and then you can have a thing thread off of that comment. So those people that are looking through the channel or space or whatever it's called and the software you're using, don't have to see all of the comments about some.

The main item that's in there. So threads that's important to have and Microsoft and WebEx teams both have that. Everything's really corded in one easy to find so that all of your conversations or right there in the channel, you know what they are, and you can find them. A WebEx team recently has set it up so that, yeah, everything is right there in that space, but it also has a separate set of tabs that let you look at just the files that were uploaded or just the meetings that took place in that space.

[00:10:00] I love that about WebEx. There's no more digging through your inbox, looking for emails, or just all of a sudden there are 50 emails that come in because. Everybody had a comment on an email that somebody else sent. So you don't get that mailbox when you're using these teams' apps. And that helps a lot making it, I mean, you know, a filter because we're so overloaded in all of our lives.

Now your conversation and these team maps can take place as a team discussion, or you could have private chats or private meetings. It really, this changes everything. If you haven't used either Microsoft teams or WebEx teams, and there's the ability to integrate Skype, to have audio and video conversations.

[00:11:00] That's true in Microsoft teams. If you're using WebEx teams, you have much better options. And we'll talk about those in an upcoming segment here. Uh, let's see, I think next segment. Yeah. Next segment. We're going to finish up a discussion about Microsoft teams. There are still a few more things we need to talk about.

We're going to also, so get into zooms pros and cons. What can you use zoom for? Why did I use zoom? I still use it. And why? Both for marketing and for business and for families. So we'll talk about all of that and some other options that are out there that Google has. And also Apple has some just amazing things.

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[00:00:00] Now we're starting to talk about collaboration systems, the things you can use like I did for a wedding and people are using constantly now for business. What should the best ones, what should you be using, it's time for us to get our right together because we are back in. Business.

I think we're going to start here with the oldest one. The oldest is Gotomeeting. We'll start there because it's actually the most mature in some ways of all of these products and what we're going to talk about, the pros and cons of different features you're going to want to look at in them. And the problems with 'em, and that's part of the pros and cons.

And since we're starting with GoToMeeting, let's start about the con, okay. the basic con for this is, it is only really for meetings. So it lets you do some collaboration in meetings, but it is really mainly for meetings, unlike the two teams' product. So we're going to be talking about as well. That is for ongoing collaboration and meetings but GoToMeeting.

[00:01:00] Here's their big things that you're going to want to consider. First of all, it is the easiest to use collaboration product on the market, even though it is aimed mostly at meetings, it lets you collaborate during those meetings. It has. Video conferencing in high definition and it just plain works.

They have been able to because they've been around so long, really master the whole concept of high availability and high bandwidth streaming to multiple locations. So there is nothing better on the market today. And when it comes to having the ability to have conferences and meetings with people that might be on very slow internet lines that may be sharing their home internet with users who are watching TV, there's streaming Netflix.

[00:02:00] You're trying to have a meeting. What's the matter of these people. So go to meetings. Very good for that sort of thing. And again, a very immature product. It provides generally a great experience for people who are on it and because it's the oldest, it is well done. Just stood in the business world.

Now. It's not that well understood how to use it by a lot of people who are new to this online space. Those people are most likely to use Zoom. And I'll tell you why. I just use zoom just a couple of weeks ago at my daughter's wedding, but this is one of the big reasons it GoToMeeting. It's known. It's used a lot by business and has been for a very long time, but it is not well known by end-users.

[00:03:00] You've got to consider that as well. how well is it known by people? but it is pretty easy to use. And it started in 2004, the use the sharing technology from GoToMyPC go to assist and they have changed ownership. I think a couple. Yeah. Yeah. Back in 2017, I think it was, it became a product of log me in and I know a couple of the founders over there log me in.

So a small world, I guess when you get down to it, Now GoToMeeting also supports mobile years. Cause it's allowing people to attend meetings on-off devices as well as of course, iPad and I phoned and you can host. Go to meeting very well on an iPad or an iPhone, right? Really, this is a business-centric product, very business-centric, as are some of these others, these team applications.

[00:04:00] Now you can achieve a significant return on investment because of the features that they have. They got HD faces video. They have a flat fee, but I gotta say. Of all of them go to meetings. Fees can be pretty high. So it depends on whether or not you need that kind of high availability flexibility when it comes to the devices that you're watching it on, et cetera, pretty easy to manage a lot of administrative capabilities.

It, Kim combines this practicality with cost-effectiveness and it has. Very good security. Now zoom, when we get into it, I'm going to have a lot of complaints about security and how zoom effectively has lied to us over and over again. You're not going to see that with GoToMeeting, zoom routed these meetings through China, zoom uses Chinese developers, which is all well and good, except remember.

[00:05:00] And that in China, almost everything is owned by the people's liberation army and is run by it. So when they're routing meetings through China, There are some problems with zoom GoToMeeting. Doesn't have any of that. We'll talk about the zoom stuff when we get around to zoom here, but it is very good on the security side and it is something that you can use to increase sales.

If you have been following me for a long time, I run webinars. These free webinars, right? In some of them, I offer some products for sale. In some of them, I offer some information products, some hardware products. we talk many times about what you should be doing business, not using some home equipment for small business because that can be a nightmare.

[00:06:00] So I'll have webinars and I'll talk about it and I'll make an offer for people who want it. I don't do anything high pressure, but that's something to consider. When it comes to GoToMeeting, is there something that you want to offer and would do well in a webinar GoToMeetings has a great webinar platform.

I use a product called, a webinar jam for webinars. I have really liked it because of having it. Webinars where I'm interacting with people who are really potential clients or just trying to learn. I like to go to the webinar for that, but it's not secure. That's where you get GoToMeeting. So let's talk about

So let's talk about three big things GoToMeeting has that you might want, it is great for presentations, so it can help you with, if you're a sales, professional marketing professional, to get prospects and gauge target audiences and qualified leads. Now we use GoToMeeting, I've been involved with the state reopening I'm on the governor's task force for reopening schools.

[00:07:00] Of course, I'm on the technology task force. We used GoToMeeting. It wasn't my choice. It wasn't my account. It's something the state had. It worked really well for that. It's also great for demonstrations. So if you are a sales rep of some sort and you want to conduct. Live demonstrations of products for prospects or give one-on-one impromptu presentations during cold calls.

It's a great way to do it a very easy way to do it. but I gotta say. I have a little bit of a preference for zoom for those types of meetings where you are just doing something in prompt too because so many people now know zoom. Okay. But go to meetings. It's been good for that for a long time. It's good for collaboration.

[00:08:00] Every professional who wants to collaborate in real-time can get on there. It worked really well for us and the governor's task force and GoToMeeting. Can. Grow so that you have thousands of people at a meeting as well. All right. You can share any application on the presenter's desktop, even if the application is not installed on the attendee's computers, and we're seeing this morning, zoom still requires an application to be installed, but a WebEx does not and GoToMeeting does not.

It'll just run right there in your browser. And I think that's a very important thing because who wants to install software, particularly in this day and age where you don't know if it's legitimate or if it's malicious, et cetera. On the followup side. There is an extra trip that people have to take some time, but GoToMeeting has some really great stuff for followup.

[00:09:00] It lets you put URLs over in the chatbox because they can stay there. So there are some materials you want people to get pumped. Right up there in the chatbox and it stays. Is there, even though the chatbox may be strolling scrolling, I should say that goes right to the top of that chatbox, which makes it really nice.

And I've used that many times where I'm doing training with GoToMeeting where. We've got a URL that we want people to see. I see. So there it is. And that's part of the thing I like about webinar jam as well as I can put things up there. I can have links. I can put graphics in there and it just stays there.

So it, it does help you with converting leads, tie up loose ends, review contracts, closed deals a lot faster. So go to a meeting. Great alternative. Been around a long time. 2004 is a long time, particularly in this space, and is something you should seriously consider. And I consider it as well. I tend to not use it, frankly.

[00:10:00] Because I think people nowadays are much more in tune to use zoom. Now that's great when it's initial talking, but if I'm doing something with a, the prospect that we have a. A signed contract with, even if it's just a nondisclosure agreement, I would never ever use zoom for those. I use WebEx for very good reasons.

And you can still get it for free by the way, WebEx, I think it's through the end of July, I might be wrong on that, but the real commercial versions, like the ones that we use where everything's integrated. You must, must sign up through a reseller and we're a reseller of that, just, just to make sure I've got all my proper disclosures, in fact, sitting right here, right next to me right now.

[00:11:00] I've got this demo unit. That is, it's just absolutely amazing from the, our friends at Cisco and Cisco owns WebEx. Now they have for a while, but this thing is just so cool. It's a 27-inch display and it is bill set up. It's got a camera on the top. Of course, it's an HD camera and they also have the four K cameras and everything.

But right here, it's a touch screen. I've got a white board, I can make phone calls as well as get into my WebEx rooms and conferences and chat rooms. it's dedicated. It is just absolutely amazing. And it also ties in with our phone system, which we have. We have a WebEx phone system that lets us make private calls, secure calls, end to end, and as well as get on calls with people.

[00:12:00] Who are outside of our business. So it's very cool. I think this is like a $12,000 device. It is not cheap, but it's very cool. most of the time I'm just using either my computer or my phone or my smartphone with WebEx. It just, it ties into everything it's phenomenal. So anyway, that's the COTA meeting.

We've been talking about Zoom. We've been talking about WebEx and some of the. Real pros there. And we're also going to be talking about Microsoft teams when we get back. So keep an eye on that. And when I'm talking about WebEx, by there, I'm talking about WebEx teams, not just the stuff for video conferencing.

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[00:00:00] This is probably one of the most requested shows ever. We're going to talk about online collaboration. We'll the stuff that's needed, absolutely needed for working from home. So stick around for the whole show. We got a lot to talk about.

Of course, you're listening to Craig Peterson. I am so glad you're here. Online Craig peterson.com. In fact, that's where I've been getting a lot of feedback from you guys. I want to thank everybody that sent me a note, talking about the types of things you want to learn more about. Today that's precisely what we will be talking about.

We're going to go through the top online collaboration tools that are out there. We'll be talking about WebEx, which is by far my most favorite. It's what we use because of the security, the flexibility. But we're going to get into that. We're going to talk about Zoom and that's what we used for my daughter's wedding couple of weeks ago.

[00:01:00] Why would we use that? What it's so insecure. We're going to get into zoom's biggest features. Microsoft Teams is a fairly new player on the block, but we're going to talk about them and the pros and cons.

Then the granddaddy of them all. We're going to be talking about, Gotomeeting. They've been around a very long time. They have pros, they have cons. We're going to be talking about that as well.

We have a number of articles to get to in this week's news. But we'll see just how far we can get with some of those things. But there are two things we have to get to right now at the top of the show. And one of them is about the latest windows 10 upgrade that they came up with.

Now, the May updates are starting to roll out, in a little bit better speed. Now, if you can believe it here we are the middle of June and the Windows 10th of May. It's starting to roll out to everybody because of all of the problems.  Unfortunately, that's the big problem we're seeing right now with windows 10, version 2004.

[00:02:00] Now, if you have a computer, one of the best things you can do for that computer to. protect your data from a crash, not from the bad guys, but from a crash is to have something called RAID, which stands for redundant array of inexpensive disks. The idea here behind raid is that you can have more multiple disc drives and it will store the data on those multiple disc drives, but it stores it in such a way that if a block goes bad on one of those drives, it can pull that block from another drive because essentially it keeps two copies of all of the data, technically. It's not really two copies, but we don't need to get into that right now.

[00:03:00] So if you lose a whole desk or you lose a part of a desk, even as small as one block, hopefully, it can be recovered. Now there are a lot of different types of raid out there. Many of them are done in hardware and can provide you with some really great defense. Those are the ones I've been using for probably about 30 years now.

Now with my customers, but there's something else that I've been using for almost as long ever since it came out, it was developed by Sun Microsystems and it's a file system called ZFS. Now. It's absolutely amazing. It is continually, every time you read that disc, it is checking the checksums, see if anything might be wrong with it, if there's anything wrong with it, it recovers that block because there's something known as bitrot when we're talking about computers and discs and even memory, frankly, but particularly with disks.

[00:04:00] That is over time mathematically, we can figure out how much of that data you haven't changed that is stored there, the emails, but more importantly, things like your accounting files, et cetera. How just individual bits can decay, literally decay, because remember they're magnetic, remember they're on magnetic media. Nowadays that magnetic media is usually on a piece of glass.

That's sitting inside that disc drive decays, the problem is that the numbers change. So you can have something that says a million dollars and because of bit rot, it changes too. Again, good change to zero, right? because just one bit flips from a one to a zero. That's all it takes. You could lose data storage because a bit flips inside your directory structure. You can lose bits on the disks at any time and they do decay over time.

[00:05:00] I remember there's a French aerospace manufacturer who we put a proposal to, and I did all of the math. I showed all of the research or some great Ph.D. research that I had found that showed how over time, regular raid devices are not going to help them with longterm retention of the data. They made parts for airplane engines and they had to keep all of the data, all of the scans, the X rays, everything they did, they had to keep it for decades. As long as that blade that was in that turbofan for that engine for a plane, as long as that blade was out there in the field, in use, they had to keep all of the original data.

 I showed them all of the studies, cause I knew what they were looking at. They were looking at just standard grade stuff, Hitachi data systems and some others and, pretty high end, very expensive hardware.

[00:06:00] I showed how they, it was impossible for them to keep that data longterm. If they put it into a normal raid system. I proposed, this was some years back, but I proposed a system, where there multiple machines, and each machine had what was called the ZFS, which is a Zelda file system on it. Then on top of all of those machines was another distributed file system and I showed how they would not ever lose any data for decades and decades.

Now they'd have to replace just drives as they went bad and we have the system set up, so it would inform them about a bad drive so they could replace it. They could actually lose three drives with an each one of these data set handlers, just a fantastic system. It is the type of system we've been using for our clients forever, because nowadays just under the federal rules of civil procedure that every business has to follow you have to have plans in place to keep things like the purchase orders, the bills you send out, even emails have to be retained longterm. IRS and others require you to have retention policies in place and to keep that data and you can't do that with raid for longterm.

[00:07:00] I brought all of this up because of what Microsoft is doing right now with windows 10, version 2004. Microsoft introduced something that is patterned after this ZFS that I talked about and ZFS is just phenomenal.

I typically use the Z-two or Z-three, for those of you that are really technical and know what that means, in order to help keep the data safe. And then. Of course, I encrypt it all push it up into cloud storage, which also has raid, but guaranteed, the data will never be lost. So Microsoft said all this is just wonderful. They came up with their own version. Apple came up with a version as well. They started to use ZFS. Then when Sun Microsystems went under basically their technology was acquired, and this particular ZFS technology, I think Oracle that managed to glom onto it.

[00:08:00] There wouldn't be licensing issues. Apple said, okay, we got to do our own thing. So Apple has some very cool advanced file system that is on the SSDs that are in so many of our machines today. So there's a lot of cool stuff.

Microsoft has storage spaces. Now I don't trust it. I never trusted it. I always use ZFS even in the Linux world where they've come up with their own version of the software. That's patterned after ZFS. ZFS has just been around for so long and is just so stable, that's what I use. Cause it's available. Really everything out there. But this particular thing I'm talking about storage spaces, a feature on Windows and Windows server, and it supports systems with multiple drives and lots of users put those drives together into bundles and create a pool of storage that you can then use to store your stuff.

[00:09:00] The idea is if a disc goes bad, just like raid, just like ZFS if a disc goes bad you can recover. Now, one of the beauties of the systems we've designed for our clients over the years on ZFS and you can do this yourself, if you're a little bit more advanced is, as I said. You can guarantee the data never goes bad because every time it's read, it is checked.

Now, if you're using hardware raid or some of these other storage systems that combined disks, it's rare that it's ever checked. Ever checked.

So you can check to make sure that raid array is working properly, but you cannot check that the data in that array has not been damaged. Maybe it was damaged by the raid controller itself, or the disc drive or the cashing function on the disc drive, or it lost the power at the exact wrong time. Now you lost even more of that data.

[00:10:00] Microsoft has come to yet, a new low. Should we call it a new low? Why not? Okay. A new low.  It turns out that their storage spaces software that's designed to keep your data safe. Apparently can mess up all of your data. How's that for fun?

And that's particularly from windows 10, version 2004, Microsoft apparently didn't bother testing it or at least testing it thoroughly enough. According to these articles, I'm seeing online, like right now, I'm looking at one from ZDNet. It's saying, when using some configurations partitioned first storage spaces might show as raw in disk manager. Microsoft has advised against running the check disk command on any device affected by this issue because fixing your desk is going to make things even worse.

[00:11:00] Oh my gosh. So if you're using storage spaces wise up, get something better.  Secondly, don't upgrade yet. It's just the May release. It's not out there yet.

Anyway, stick around guys. We'll be right back. You're listening to Craig Peterson and we've got a whole lot more coming up and yes, we're going to get to collaboration. I guarantee.

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Craig Peterson: That's how they did it. They uploaded it to a cloud server, which was not secured. IBM kind of stumbled across all of these videos of Iranian hackers hacking that they were going to use for training. Hey, we've never said that hackers were smart. Can you believe these guys from Iran? This is amazing.

[00:00:24] Hey, Craig Peterson here and I was on with Mr. Jim Polito this morning in Western mass in Springfield and Worcester. I guess we should give the hackers a bit of a break, right? They're human too.

[00:00:38]Jim Polito: Last week we had a twofer with Craig, Peterson had him back for that whole Twitter hack thing.

[00:00:45] Well, this is his regular time and there's nothing regular or ordinary about this segment. I'm talking about our tech talk guru. Craig Peterson. Good morning, sir.

[00:00:57] Craig Peterson: Hey, good morning. Yeah, In a follow-up to Thursday where we were talking about this whole Twitter hack. The bottom line right now is it looks like it was a couple of kids that did this whole hack of you named them? Right. The famous accounts. It's just mind-boggling. What could be done if the bad guys really put their minds to it? It could have been terribly destructive.

[00:01:23] Jim Polito: Well, isn't this like, um, uh, Matthew Broderick and, um, you know, uh, what was it? War games, the eighties movie. He was able to hack into NORAD, you know, as a kid. Well, these two kids hacking into Twitter.

[00:01:41] Craig Peterson: Yeah, that's basically what it was kind of an inside job on top of it all. That was a great movie, by the way, war games. Of course, even back then, I remember seeing it theater and I was sitting next to my buddy, ok no he can't do that. No, that's impossible.

[00:01:55] It is absolutely happening and it's happening to all of us. And the bad guys as always are taking advantage of what's happening right now. Which of course is still this COVID thing.

[00:02:07] Jim Polito: Yeah. I mean, it's all over. I, I wanted to lighten it up because this made me happy when you sent it to me that some Iranian spies and we know the Iranians, like the North Koreans, like the Russians, like the Chinese, they have serious hackers working for them anyway, that some Iranian spies accidentally leaked videos of them hacking.

[00:02:31] So almost like giving the evidence there. What, what's the story?

[00:02:37] Craig Peterson: Yeah. Said that absolutely something here. So IBM apparently had been monitoring this server. That's out in the cloud. Now, this is a word of warning to businesses because I see this all of the time, businesses look at the cloud as, Oh my God, this is a panacea. I'm going to be safe the cloud is wonderful. It's going to save me money and this is going to provide security by the way, none of which is necessarily true. Okay. It's not all fall, but most of the bigger businesses have moved to the cloud have now moved back to their own data centers for many of these core functions. So what happened here is Iran as a bunch of hackers working other they're not doing anything that's terribly sophisticated, which is. The disappointing, but it's also a word of warning here. Not terribly sophisticated, but it needs a lot of people in order to do it.

[00:03:36] I've been watching that C S E E show that Apple plus, you know, Apple TV thing they've got out.

[00:03:43] Jim Polito: Yeah.

[00:03:43]Craig Peterson: How there's just all of this manual labor going on. And I watched it too, a documentary, its called hot roads, and it's all of these roads all over the world. So each hour they're talking. What about something?

[00:03:58] And this particular one was in Bangladesh. It's cheaper to have. Manual labor, they're digging the holes, carrying the dirt out, et cetera, to do road repairs than it is to bring a Digger in. That's what this reminds me of in Iran. They have tons of people, China as well, tons of people doing not terribly sophisticated attacks but being successful, nonetheless.

[00:04:27] So in this case, these guys apparently recorded videos of them hacking into Google accounts, Yahoo accounts, and others. Exactly how they did it. They. Well, did it to a cloud server, which was not secured. IBM kind of stumbled across all of these videos of Iranian hackers hacking that they were going to use for training.

[00:04:53] So I don't even know where to begin with all the lessons we can learn from this one.

[00:04:58] Jim Polito: I know we're talking with Craig Peterson, our tech talk guru who really pulls back the curtain. Craig, I will say this I've learned one thing from you in the years we've been together. There just isn't enough being done.

[00:05:15] Um, it seems to me like it takes. Uh, for a company to really have an embarrassing hack for them really to get their act together, but then they take corrective actions, but then the further they get from that incident, the morning they slip into their old bad habits, again, kind of like we do, you know, you get a speeding ticket then, you know, for the next month or so you're very careful about how you drive and this and that.

[00:05:48] And then. And then after a while, you know, you kind of forget that it seems to me to be the same thing in a corporate mentality.

[00:05:56] Craig Peterson: It really is. And compare corporations. To government. Okay. I'll look at it. Land. They had ransomware. They could not collect taxes. People could not pay their water bills.

[00:06:10] They could not register their cars. So Atlanta was of course a bill. They had some of the best IGS, smartest security people in the world, working there in Atlanta. And so they closed up the whole supposedly, right. They spent millions of dollars. They paid ransoms and then a month or six weeks later, boom.

[00:06:31] Another ransomware attack that successful and knocks Atlanta off the arrogance. My recollection is that happened to them three times in the course of fewer than 12 months. So I don't know if they just do, does that mean that the city government just never learn their lesson? You're right. About many businesses, you know, unfortunately, nowadays, if you are a business and you get hacked, the odds are.

[00:07:00] Better than 50%, you will lose your business. Now we'll look at people that are, you know, our age and well, you know, you're in your fifties or sixties or seventies, and you have been building this business your whole life because this business is your retirement. You're going to milk it as a cash cow, or you're going to sell it to someone, a merger and have that wonderful little exit that happens.

[00:07:26] And all of a sudden you're hacked. And you lose that whole business. There goes your retirement there goes everything. Yeah. So you're right. We're not paying enough attention. And part of the problem is, yeah, there aren't enough people that know about it and I'm going to do something about it. I've already started.

[00:07:47] I've been redoing my studio here. I met this last weekend with a great editor guy, video guy. And, uh, I'm going to be putting out little daily pieces of training for people. Absolutely free, right. Little daily pieces of training that they can subscribe to watch the video, listen to it because you're right as usual, Jim

[00:08:10] Jim Polito: Well, I'm not right. It's usual. I just, you know, I'm paying attention to what the tech talker who says, I mean, it's kind of like regurgitating, you know, it's like a trained monkey. Come on. But anyway, um, let me ask you this part because I know where it's going to lead. So you sent me some information on, on Apple's new Mac book.

[00:08:31] That's going to be coming out and you know, I mean, you, you, you pay more for that, but often it's you get what you pay for? So apparently they're new MacBook is going to solve the biggest problem that people have with working remotely. Is, is that just, you know, an advertising tagline or is that, is that the real deal?

[00:08:57] Craig Peterson: No, this is absolutely the real deal. There's a great article from inc magazine. I'll be putting up on my website and you can follow it too. If you're on my email list at Craig Peterson dot com slash subscribe, you'll get it on Saturday. But, um, The biggest problems people are having, working from home, have to do with security and they also have to do with the equipment that they have at home.

[00:09:21] How long does it last Apple announced that they are completely ditching Intel processors. Now what that means is wow. Completely gone. Goodbye. Okay. So that little relationship is over.

[00:09:37] Jim Polito: That's. over Wow.

[00:09:39] Craig Peterson: I remember on the front cover of PC magazine, where they said the best.

[00:09:43] PC for windows is a Mac because the hardware is so good.

[00:09:49] Kind of like what you were saying. If you have a tit for tat comparison of a, I have a windows laptop and an Apple laptop, both those are Intel, let's say, and you compare all of the hardware inside, how long it's going to last Apple when hands down.

[00:10:05] Right now, in fact, the average lifespan of a windows laptop that you'll buy. Now that includes the ones you'll get at the big box stores. The average, lifetime is seven months.

[00:10:18] Yeah. The average lifetime of the Apple laptop is five to 10 years. Okay. So Apple has said, we need more battery life. We need more processing power. So they're taking the chips. They've been developing themselves that are in the iPad Pro, which is as fast as most PCs that are out there. So they're taking the chips from the iPad and they're putting them into laptops and we're going to see laptops from Apple two of them by the end of this year, not using any Intel chips. Using chips made by Apple, designed by Apple ball actually made by contractors,.But designed by it Apple, and they will last you more than a day. So you get Apple security, which is really, really good. Yeah. You get a laptop that lasts all day long and Intel is left holding the bag.

[00:11:16] Jim Polito: Oh, wow. And I am sure that, you know, all those years they used Intel, uh, they, you know, we're paying attention to exactly how that chip works when they develop their own. I'm sure.

[00:11:31] Craig Peterson: Yeah. Yeah, well,, they're using a standard chip, um, basic design architecture that even Microsoft is using for some of their embedded systems and, you know, the surface tablet type things too. So, uh, Intel just hasn't kept up. That's why they switched. Remember Apple didn't use to be Intel-based. It used to be a power=PC based. Uh, they, they switched, and before that, it was Motorola based.

[00:11:56] Jim Polito: Now here's the quick question. And then we've got to wrap up, obviously, as I said earlier, you get what you pay for Apple is a lot more expensive.

[00:12:06] Yeah, it is. Yeah. What would you, what would you say the different, you know, like the basic, uh, um, laptop, like from HP versus the basic laptop from Apple price-wise.

[00:12:21] Craig Peterson: Well, I don't know that that's a great comparison because of what you need to do is be comparing the HP or the Dell enterprise laptops.

[00:12:32] Jim Polito: You're right. Okay. So what's the difference? Yeah. What is the differential there?

[00:12:37] Craig Peterson: It's in the noise. You can right now get an Apple laptop, a Mac book air for under a thousand dollars. And I think most people would be fair. Yeah, I'm very happy with it. And they can go all the way up to about 5,000. If you want something that will do edit a movie.

[00:12:55] Okay. If video, huge blockbuster movie.

[00:12:59] Jim Polito: Yeah, but if you just want to look cool and Starbucks, like you're writing a screenplay, you can do it for under a thousand dollars. You know with the little light-up Apple on the other side of your laptop, Craig as usual great information as usual.

[00:13:16] So let's get, let's get folks a way that they can get more information from you. How do you want them to do it? Absolutely.

[00:13:24] Craig Peterson: .Well, first of all, I think I'm still on the air on these stations on, is it Saturday at 11. Its Saturday, I believe at 11 o'clock I do a deeper dive into a lot of these it's an hour-long, which is great.

[00:13:38] And if you have any questions, if you want these little training videos, they are going to, people are telling me they're there changing their lives if they have the mind, but no longer all worried about it. But if you want that, just go to Craig peterson.com/subscribe. That'll get you in my newsletter. You'll be able to find out about these.

[00:13:58] I'm starting to do more lives as Facebook lives. I'm even Jim. I'm planning on doing some of our morning hits here on Facebook live and then I'll stay on and answer questions.

[00:14:13] Jim Polito: Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna owe you for that. That's gonna open me up to a wide audience. I'm going to owe you for that. All right. So, Craig, uh, this is all great stuff as usual. I appreciate everything you're doing. And uh, we look forward to talking with you again next Tuesday, sir.

[00:14:32] Alright, take care, Jim. Bye. Bye.

[00:14:34] Hmm. Bye-bye. Alright. When we return a final word, you're listening to the Jim Polito show from my kitchen with pops who's quiet right now. This is your safe space.

[00:14:44] Craig Peterson: Yes, it's true. I am working on all of that. I'm just jazzed as can be anyhow. This is going to be fantastic. So I'll make sure you're on my email list. Craig Peterson dot com slash subscribe. All right, everybody, take care. I'm going to be on the road here for a few days. So, uh, well, we'll see how it goes. If you send me an email at [email protected], it might take me a little bit longer than usual to respond, but I always do take care, everybody. Bye-bye.

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