Abdu Murray grew up certain Islam was true. The son of Lebanese immigrants in southeast Michigan, he was raised in a serious Shia Muslim home where faith wasn’t just cultural; it shaped his identity and his arguments. From an early age he absorbed both apologetics (why Islam is true) and polemics (why Christianity is false), and in 1980s–90s America—when it was fashionable to call yourself “Christian” with little thought—he found Christians easy targets. He would ask classmates why they were Christians and usually got answers like “tradition” or “we go to church on Christmas and Easter.” For Abdu, that wasn’t good enough. “Why,” he’d ask, “would you trust the destiny of your eternal soul to a system of belief someone else thought through?”Underneath the jock exterior (a 6'7"" athlete who played Division I basketball and trained in martial arts), Abdu was a natural advocate. He loved philosophy, logic, and evidence, studied psychology in college, and later earned a law degree from the University of Michigan. Questions about truth weren’t abstract; they were everything. He believed that what is true excludes its opposite, and that relativism—“what’s true for you is true for you, what’s true for me is true for me”—simply didn’t work. Islam, he thought, was that truth, and Christianity was a corrupted, lower‑grade version of original revelation. Like many Muslims, he saw Islam as “college” to Judaism’s “grade school” and Christianity’s “high school.”In this episode, Abdu tells the story of how that certainty was slowly unsettled. What began as an effort to “knock over” other people’s faiths turned into a nearly decade‑long investigation of Christianity’s historical, philosophical, theological, and scientific claims. Along the way he had to grapple with uncomfortable questions: Why does the Qur’an speak positively about the Torah and the Gospel in the present tense, yet deny the central claims those texts make about Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection? If Jesus didn’t die on a cross and rise from the dead, what do His own words about giving His life “as a ransom for many” mean? Is Christianity really a regression from pure monotheism—or the fulfillment of the story the Hebrew Scriptures have been telling from the beginning?Abdu describes the moment he realized the faith he was trying so hard not to have was the one he desperately needed—that the Trinity, the incarnation, and the cross were not insults to God’s greatness but the clearest demonstrations of it. He also talks about how his twin loves—understanding how people think (psychology) and how to marshal evidence (law)—shaped his calling as a Christian apologist and evangelist. Now president of Embrace the Truth and author of books like Saving Truth, More Than a White Man’s Religion, and his latest, Fake ID: How A.I. and Identity Ideology Are Collapsing Reality—And What to Do About It, he spends his life helping people see that questions need more than slogans, and that real freedom requires real truth.The conversation ranges from Islam and Christianity’s different views of revelation, to how identity politics and artificial intelligence are distorting our sense of what’s real, to why arguments should always be aimed at people, not just positions. For anyone wrestling with doubt, curious about Islam and Christianity, or simply feeling disoriented in a world where reality itself seems up for grabs, this episode offers both intellectual rigor and pastoral warmth—an invitation to test the big claims and, in the process, meet the One who calls Himself “the way, the truth, and the life.

From the outside, Steve Rotermund checked all the Christian boxes. He’d gone from a powerful Promise Keepers experience to volunteering, sensing a call to ministry, and eventually stepping into pastoral leadership. He served as a children’s pastor over 150 kids, directed Awana and Celebrate Recovery, planted a church, and even hosted a radio ministry. But behind the scenes, a different story was unfolding: a marriage shaken by his wife’s secret addiction to pain medication, a home full of fear and shame, and a deep anger at God for not “fixing” her while Steve worked full-time for Him.In this episode, Steve goes back further—to the soil all of that grew out of. He describes a childhood dominated by abandonment and trauma: a mother who left when he was four and disappeared until he was eighteen, a father who cycled in and out of alcoholism and told him he’d never amount to anything, and sexual abuse at age six that he carried in silence into his forties. Those early wounds left him convinced he was fundamentally unworthy, even as he “sold Jesus” to others from the pulpit. Ministry became a stage where codependency thrived: needing to be needed, feeling important, and trying desperately to control what was broken at home.When his wife began passing out on the front row of church, the shame and exhaustion finally broke him. Steve handed his congregation to another pastor, walked away from ministry, and walked away from God. The next two years were, as he puts it, “hell”—a codependent husband trying to fix an addict he couldn’t control. A trusted friend finally pushed him to see a Christian counselor. Within fifteen minutes of their first session, the counselor told him, “You’re part of the problem.” That blunt diagnosis of codependency—and the later challenge to move from “adopted son tolerated by God” to full sonship in Christ—became the turning point.Steve describes how, through years of counseling and a fresh encounter with John 14:20 (“I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you”), his identity shifted from shame and performance to union with Jesus. The journey wasn’t neat: he still had to make the painful decision to divorce in order to protect his kids, rebuild his own life, and slowly reengage with church. But out of that wreckage came a renewed call to ministry and the birth of Walk Right Ministries—a Christ-centered 12-step recovery community where he now walks with others through trauma, addiction, and codependency. His book, God’s Imperfect Plan—Is Perfect, invites readers to see that God can weave purpose even through what feels like failure.For anyone carrying hidden wounds, trapped in someone else’s addiction, or burned out on a version of faith built on performance and control, this conversation offers both honesty and real hope. Steve’s story is a living reminder that God doesn’t just rescue us from our circumstances; He meets us in them, heals the heart beneath the behavior, and invites us into a freedom where our worth is no longer on trial.

Most conversations about peace stay either abstract and idealistic, or narrowly focused on the latest crisis. Robert Atkinson’s work refuses that split. An award‑winning author, developmental psychologist, and pioneer in life storytelling, he has spent decades helping people understand their own journeys as part of a much larger story — one in which human oneness is not a wishful slogan, but the deeper reality we are slowly waking up to. In The Way of Unity: Essential Principles and Preconditions for Peace, he brings that vision into sharp focus, asking what kind of religion and spirituality our time truly requires.In this episode, Robert explains how the original sense of religio — to bind together — offers a corrective to the fragmented way faith often functions today. Drawing on themes from The Story of Our Time and A New Story of Wholeness, he outlines a “way of knowing, being, and doing” in which religion, spirituality, social action, community building, and peacebuilding are not separate projects but facets of the same calling. Unity, in his view, must be cultivated on multiple levels: within the self, between people and communities, and across nations — especially in moments of acute tension, like the current conflicts in the Middle East.Robert also shares how his work with initiatives such as One Planet Peace Forum and StoryCommons, and his involvement with the Evolutionary Leaders Circle, have convinced him that we are living through a critical transition point. Old stories of separation are breaking down, while new, more inclusive narratives are emerging — if we are willing to embrace them. Throughout the conversation, he invites listeners to see their own lives as threads in a much larger tapestry of oneness and responsibility, and to consider what it might mean to practice a “religion for our time” that truly binds rather than divides.For anyone wrestling with polarization, longing for a faith that heals instead of harms, or simply trying to locate their personal story within a hopeful future, this episode offers a thoughtful, grounded guide into the way of unity.

Some dads pass on a lifetime of memories; John Fela’s father handed him two words: “Don’t panic.” Growing up on the north side of Chicago in a stereotypical blue‑collar Catholic home—with a truck‑driver dad who drank every day and a mom holding the family together—John watched a man he loved slowly check out of his own life, yet still show up for work and provide. As a teenager, he wrote his father off as “a drunken fool,” only to realize years later that those two words would become some of the best advice he’d ever received—especially once he became the dad of a son with severe autism.In this episode, John traces how his parents’ messy faithfulness gave him the fortitude he needed for his own journey. He talks candidly about growing up around alcoholism, late‑night medical crises, and parents who could stay strangely calm when everything was on the line. Those experiences, he says, trained him to handle big emergencies even if the “little things” still get under his skin. When his son Chris was born and later diagnosed with nonverbal autism, that training—and a later‑in‑life encounter with Christ—shaped how he chose to show up: not panicking, not walking away, but learning to love and advocate with persistence.Out of that has come John’s work as a “Swiss Army knife of disability advocacy,” with a Master’s in Education, years in the classroom, and national advocacy roles, including time with Joni and Friends. Drawing from his book Faith Like My Father, he shares what he’s learned about co‑parenting after divorce, supporting special‑needs families in the church, and helping dads move beyond shame or helplessness into real engagement with their kids. Through it all, he circles back to a simple conviction: you don’t give up on the people you love—and you learn to trust a Father whose plan is bigger than your pain.For parents raising kids with disabilities, pastors wondering how to do more than “mention inclusion,” or anyone still sorting out a complicated relationship with their own dad, this conversation offers honesty, hard‑won wisdom, and hope grounded in a God who never panics and never walks away.

Healthcare conversations easily drift into policy, budgets, and systems. Constantine “Kosti” Psimopoulos insists the place to begin is with a wounded traveler on the side of the road. An Orthodox Christian, Harvard‑trained kinesiologist, and bioethicist, Kosti works at the intersection of medicine, spirituality, disability, and ethics—shaping training for scientists and clinicians at Harvard Medical School and the T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and directing the Division of Bioethics at the Orthodox Academy of Crete. For him, Jesus’ parable of the Good Samaritan is not just a Sunday‑school story; it’s a template for reimagining what medicine and public health are for.In this episode, Kosti unpacks why that parable is, in his words, “the crux of all medicine and healthcare.” Jesus answers the question “Who is my neighbor?” by centering the one who stops, sees, and attends to the injured man’s full humanity—body and soul—at personal cost. Kosti contrasts this with modern tendencies to reduce patients to data points, time slots, or cost–effectiveness calculations. Drawing on the legacy of his mentor, the late Dr. Paul Farmer of Partners In Health, he argues that any ethic of care that does not begin with the person in front of us—especially the poorest and most vulnerable—is already off course, no matter how efficient it looks on paper.From there, the conversation widens to global questions of access, AI in medicine, and how disability justice reshapes the way we think about “flourishing.” As a disability advocate and director on the board of the Harvard Alumni Disability Alliance, Kosti emphasizes the principle “nothing about us without us,” insisting that those most affected by medical and technological decisions must have a voice in shaping them. Throughout, he returns to a simple, demanding conviction: if every human being is created in the image (and, in Orthodox language, called to the likeness) of God, then bioethics cannot remain an abstract discipline. It must become a lived, hopeful vision of care that honors dignity, resists dehumanizing systems, and takes seriously Jesus’ call to love our neighbor—whoever is in front of us—well.

Before she held titles like “executive director,” “chair,” or “professor,” Najeeba Syeed was a little Muslim girl on a school bus in southern Indiana whose family simply needed halal meat. Her father, a grad student at Indiana University, struck up an unlikely partnership with her Christian bus driver, Mrs. Anderson, who invited him to her farm so he could perform ritual slaughter in line with Islamic dietary law. For Najeeba, that story has become a lens on what real interfaith life often looks like: not lofty dialogue in conference halls, but neighbors quietly meeting each other’s needs out of ordinary kindness.In this episode, Najeeba traces the deeper roots of her peacemaking vocation—from being naturalized as an American and raised to see this country as a place “welcoming to all religions,” to the first time she returned to Kashmir as a teenager. Stepping off the plane in Srinagar, she wept as she recognized her mother’s features in a relative’s arms for the first time—only to notice, moments later, armed soldiers posted every few dozen feet along the road. Confronted with the beauty of belonging and the reality of militarized conflict, she found herself praying that her Muslim faith would make her an agent of peace. That prayer eventually led her to choose a Quaker college, drawn by a tradition known for its consistent witness against violence and its role in movements for abolition, human rights, and reconciliation.From there, Najeeba’s path has woven together scholarship, mediation, and grassroots practice. As a professor and as the inaugural El‑Hibri Endowed Chair and Executive Director of Interfaith at Augsburg University, she has designed and led initiatives that reduce school violence, address interracial and gang conflict, and strengthen Muslim–Christian partnerships. Yet throughout the conversation, she keeps returning to the same core: neighborliness, courageous listening, and a refusal to let any one community’s story stand alone. For listeners weary of polarization but unsure what peacemaking looks like beyond slogans, this episode offers a grounded, hopeful picture of justice‑rooted interfaith work—born not in theory, but in the everyday crossings of real lives.

For many Christians, Purim is a minor feast attached to a familiar children’s story about Esther. For Jennifer Rosner—and for Jewish communities around the world this year—it became something far more immediate. As Jews read again about a plot to annihilate their people in ancient Persia, they did so while watching breaking news from modern‑day Iran: the Ayatollah, a declared enemy of Israel, killed just days before the holiday. The overlap was hard to ignore. Jen, a theologian who has spent years studying and teaching at the intersection of Judaism and Christianity, helps make sense of that convergence.In this episode, she walks through the story of Esther as Jews experience it: not only as history, but as a pattern of threat, vulnerability, and unexpected deliverance that has replayed across centuries. She explains how Purim invites Jews to “remember and relive” God’s hidden work on their behalf—and why, this year, many saw eerie parallels between Haman’s ancient plot in Persia and the rhetoric and ambitions of modern leaders in the same region. From there, Jen widens the lens, showing how these connections highlight the ongoing relationship between the Jewish people, the state of Israel, and the Christian church watching from a distance, often with incomplete understanding.Drawing on her time living in Jerusalem and her work in both seminaries and Messianic Jewish contexts, Jen invites Christians to recover the Jewish roots of their own faith and to read Scripture with fresh attentiveness to Israel’s story. Rather than reducing current events to simple fulfillments of prophecy or ideological talking points, she encourages listeners to see them through the lived experience of a people whose holidays, like Purim, sit at the intersection of memory, identity, and survival. For anyone trying to connect the Bible’s ancient narratives with today’s headlines—and to understand how Jews and Christians might move toward deeper dialogue and reconciliation—this conversation offers nuance, humility, and a grounded, Jewish‑aware perspective.

Dan Nichols has lived both sides of the modern church story. On one hand, he planted Restored Church in Wilkes‑Barre, PA from the ground up, started the Northeast Leadership Summit, and launched the Northeast Collaborative to equip churches across a region often described as “spiritually hard soil.” On the other, he now serves as pastor of Grace Christian Fellowship in Cortland, NY—a 225‑year‑old church founded when Thomas Jefferson was president. Moving from entrepreneurial church planting to shepherding a historic congregation has given him a rare view of how Jesus can stay at the center across wildly different eras and expectations.In this episode, Dan talks about that journey and the deeper story underneath it: his family’s walk through their son Landon’s life‑threatening heart condition. Landon has now survived three open‑heart surgeries, and through those years Dan and his wife Joy learned, in their words, that “God’s grace is never premature”—it arrives exactly when it is needed, even if it doesn’t come early or in the ways they would choose. When Landon later began wrestling with his own faith at just eight years old, asking honest questions about God, Scripture, and what he truly believed, those conversations became the seed of the Making Scripture Simple series—books designed to help upper‑elementary kids understand the Bible for themselves.Dan shares how that project, together with his “hope dealer” work through preaching, podcasting, and networking, flows from a single desire: to point people to Jesus and make God’s Word clear, not complicated. He speaks candidly about ministry, marriage, parenting through pain, and following Jesus in a changing church landscape—where historic institutions and new plants alike are being called back to the same center. For anyone spending Easter in a place of questions, transition, or quiet discouragement, this conversation offers a grounded reminder that the risen Christ still meets people on the road—and that Scripture, handled simply and honestly, can be a living guide for children and adults alike.

What happens when the life you built around love, faith, and routine suddenly falls apart—and the country outside your front door feels just as fractured? In The Salt and Light Express, Lee Ann Walling follows an older woman who sets out alone in a small RV after the death of her long‑time partner. The journey takes her through the physical landscape of a divided America and the inner terrain of grief, anger, and spiritual disorientation. Along the way, she revisits Episcopal congregations from her past, lands in the hill country of Texas with an evangelical family unsure she should even be a Christian, and finds herself unexpectedly in conversation with a Baptist preacher whose kindness doesn’t fit her assumptions.In this episode, Lee Ann shares how the novel emerged during her MFA program at Drexel—nothing like the book she first imagined, yet deeply rooted in her own path through Methodism, Baptism, atheism, and an eventual home in the Episcopal Church. She describes her protagonist’s sharp, sometimes elitist judgments softening as she encounters ordinary people who complicate the culture‑war caricatures: a pastor willing to risk his position by preaching from Matthew 22 about loving God and neighbor in a hostile climate, relatives who wound and yet reveal their own fears, and strangers whose small acts of grace reopen the possibility of faith. Threaded through is a quiet attempt to strip religion back to “the teachings of Jesus” and ask what a simple, lived‑out faith might look like for someone who has lost trust in institutions but still longs for God.More than a theological treatise, The Salt and Light Express is a road story, a love story, and a meditation on aging, loneliness, and belonging. For readers and listeners—older women, spiritual seekers, LGBTQ believers, or anyone who has gone “to look for America” and found more division than unity—this conversation offers a tender, honest look at how stories can help us keep traveling toward meaning, reconciliation, and a faith that is both humble and real.

For many believers, “church” has become the measure of spiritual life: the services attended, the prayers repeated, the doctrines affirmed. Don Britton’s story cuts across that assumption. After decades as a businessman and church‑going Christian, his life fell apart when adultery led to the end of his second marriage. Broken and out of answers, he turned to God not for another religious routine, but with a desperate question: what does Scripture actually require of me? That search led him and his wife into nearly half a century of intensive Bible study outside denominational structures, and eventually to his books The Great Deception of American Christianity Without Christ and Quit Church, Now What?In this episode, Don lays out the core concerns that emerged from that long journey. He challenges popular teachings around “worship services” that never become a way of life, a sinner’s prayer that appears nowhere in Scripture, and a view of grace that erases any call to works of righteousness. Most urgently, he warns against the comfort of unconditional eternal security in the face of a Bible filled with conditions and warnings about the narrow way. Yet behind the strong language is not a desire to condemn, but to invite: away from borrowed assurance and toward a personal, intimate, wholehearted relationship with God that brings real peace and hope.The conversation is frank and sobering, but also deeply focused on love—God’s love for people, and the love that leads to repentance, self‑denial, and genuine discipleship. For anyone uneasy with “easy believism” or sensing a gap between church culture and Jesus’ own words about sin and salvation, this episode offers a serious, scripture‑saturated call to return to Christ Himself.