When we get into a disagreement, we often see the other person as the problem. But so often, our conflicts are rooted in systemic factors in our organizations and society, like pay structures and decision-making processes.

To create equitable workplaces and communities where peoples’ needs are met, we must stop butting heads against each other and zoom out to see the changes needed in our larger organization and communities.

With nearly twenty years helping leaders design equitable organizations, and author of Equity: How to Design Organizations Where Everyone Thrives, my guest today, Minal Bopaiah, is an expert in zooming out.

We discuss rules of thumb for facilitating communication in hybrid workplaces, when to leave an organization that’s not treating you well, and the qualities leaders need to have in order to effectively build truly equitable and conflict competence organizations.