Rob sits down with Pulumi staff developer advocates, Matt Stratton and Kat Cosgrove to discuss the complexities of systems and team management. Join the discussion on important topics such as, 

• The importance of automating of repeated tasks
• Cultivating a zero blame environment
• How companies should be viewing hiring

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