Kate and Shawn channel their inner Raymond Carver and Victor Frankl. This is what we talk about when we talk about art. Is there a difference between being a creator and an artist? Who decides? Do we care?

Creators vs Artists EP 007

A show about making something for the pure joy of it—not to be rich or famous or successful. You don't need to post it on social media. You don't need a reason. Give yourself permission to explore your creativity. Give yourself permission to play. It's always worth it. We promise.

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Creators vs Artists EP 007

Creators vs Artists EP 007