This week was a MESS (in the best way possible). We get drama, love and everything you need in a Bachelorette episode. We talk about our feelings surrounding Yosef and Clare’s interaction (and Yosef’s departure), and how this week seemed to be the Dale Show 2.0. How is that possible?!

This episode gives us TWO group dates (one with a canceled day date) and a 1-on-1, and every remaining man has a date this week, but do all of them survive the episode? Spoiler, Dale does.

Our POC highlight of the week is Garin Flowers. We also had to say goodbye to Garin this week. He was the man from Florida who is a Professor of Journalism at the University of Southern California.

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This is a sneak peek of our Spooktober True Crime series. You can hear the full episode starting at the $3 level of our Patreon page, link here.

In Part 1 of our Spooktober True Crime series, Megan covers the story of the Vampire of Sacramento, AKA Richard Chase, who killed a total of six people within a month. And yes, he lives up to the name of Vampire… Brace yourself because this story is rough.

CONTENT WARNING: children victims, sexual assault, necrophilia, cannibalism

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This week we witnessed a VERY problematic game of Bachelor strip dodgeball. This isn’t the first problematic game we have heard of (listen to our interview with Erica Rose here). Forced nudity is never okay, regardless of gender. Further, in the episode, it was made to appear that this date was all Clare’s idea. We know this is far from the truth as the leads don’t pick dates, production does. Production, let’s do better - let’s do much better.

We both talk about crimes related to the strip theme. Danielle covers the case of exotic dancer Robyn Lindholm, who has been called a Black Widow, Femme Fatale, Master Manipulator and Lady McBeth in Lycra. Robyn convinced her new lover to kill her ex-lover, not once … but TWICE. (Story starts at: 11:33).

Megan then covers the case of the murder of Elizabeth “Lizzi” Marriott. Lizzi seems like she was just such a sweetheart, and was just trying to make more friends. But these two friends had a different plan and murdered Lizzi after a game of strip poker went very, very wrong. Content Warning: Rape and Sexual Assault, conversations about bondage and BDSM (Story starts at: 54:41).

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Oh boy, this week we saw very problematic behavior and awkward moments: toxic masculinity, unnecessary strip dodgeball, trauma therapy on the first date, Clare confronting men left and right, breaking rules etc.

While we talk about it all, we are joined by our fellow lady lawyer and Cutie Kelcee!  Kelcee last joined us on the pod in June for the recap of Kaitlyn Bristowe’s GOAT season (check that out here). We tried to Kelcee sign up for Matt James season of the Bachelor, but she wasn’t having it. This episode we make a bet that if Demar doesn’t get Clare’s final rose, we can slide in his DMs about her awesomeness.

Since Danielle lost a bet with Loren from The Basic Bitch Podcast (Minnesota Vikings lost by 1 point), at halftime Danielle recites the 5 things she likes about Loren and 5 things she likes about their podcast. (Check it out at 41:00).

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This week we watched the premiere of the 16th season of the Bachelorette, starring Clare Crawley! Due to COVID-19, the entire season is being filmed at the La Quinta Resort and Club in La Quinta, California, and not at the Bachelor Mansion.

Megan covers a case committed by another woman named Clare. Fair warning, it’s a very hard case, it is an incredibly horrific instance of domestic violence. Andrew Gardner, the victim in this case, was tortured for months by his girlfriend, Clare Nicholls. (This story starts at 9:47).

Danielle takes on a case from La Quinta, California. This case didn’t seem to get the coverage it deserved. Danielle tells the twisted story of the murder of Bernardo Gouthier, a Brazillian art dealer who was the subject of a possible murder for hire plot by his girlfriend's ex-husband. (This story starts at 29:57).

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This is a sneak peek of our October 2020 BONUS Bachelor content, our interview with Diggy Moreland, from the Bachelorette, Season 13 (Rachel Lindsay-Abasolo)

You can hear the full episode starting at the $3 level of our Patreon page, link here.

We chat with Diggy about a whole lot of stuff. We chat about: what he was like as a kid, his life in quarantine, how he got signed up for The Bachelorette, his time on the show, what he’s looking for in a future partner, and more.

Hold onto your butts because he’s somehow even funnier than he is attractive. We didn’t know that was possible.

We're back! Danielle walks us through the 23 contestants who will appear on "Clare's season of the Bachelorette." Some seem really cool, some are gems, and some seem like total assholes. We pick our favorites and want to hear yours! (Check our Twitter and Instagram for a merch giveaway).

We’re doing a Bachelorette Bracket this year, with a bunch of our friends, you can join us too! Check that out here. (Some of us are just out here TRYING to beat Danielle).

Also, we give an update on our episode release schedule during this season of the Bachelorette. This Bachelorette on Tuesday thing is really throwing us for a loop.

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This is a sneak peek of our October 2020 BONUS True Crime Content, the Murder of Laci and Conner Peterson.

You can hear the full episode starting at the $3 level of our Patreon page, link here.

Laci Peterson was the gorgeous 27-year-old teacher and expectant mother who disappeared from her Modesto, California home without a trace. Her husband, Scott Peterson quickly became the prime suspect in her murder.

This case became a media frenzy overnight and gained national attention, due in part to Scott’s calm demeanor, and the media’s change to a 24-hour news cycle. And that was all before the public heard from Amber Frey.

Did Scott really kill Laci and Conner? We discuss.

CONTENT WARNING: This case involves a fetal death.

Danielle joined Talysa & Sarah from The Shit Show True Crime Podcast (find them here!), to talk about mom life and discuss kids who kill. Megan is on a cross country road trip, wish her safe travels!

Sarah tells the story of 4 year old sweet baby Derrick Robie who was murdered by 13 year old Eric Smith, walking on his way to summer camp in New York.

Danielle discusses the 2010 thrill killing of Makia Coney by her University Christian School friends and classmates, Charles Southern and Connor Pridgen, in Florida.

Content Warning: child murder

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Huge shoutout and thank you to our producer, David Velick! You can find him on Instagram @davidvelick