This week, we revisit a powerful conversation from Season 3 of The Crisis Cast. Listen in on the lessons learned from his forensic consortium. Our guest, Paul Ciolino, convinced Governor George Ryan to rethink the death penalty in Illinois. Ciolino is a private investigator turned DNA expert who advocates for those wrongly convicted. In this episode, Lissa & Thom dig into corrupt systems and the high-profile cases Paul Ciolino has investigated. You'll hear about his first hand encounters with Anthony Porter, Amanda Knox, Arturo Gatti, and more. This episode was originally released in April of 2022.