In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, Kyle King unpacks the “Resilience Paradox”—why we expect people to be self-reliant during emergencies while tolerating fragile infrastructure. Triggered by the mass blackout across Spain and Portugal, Kyle examines the deeper disconnect between how cities are planned and how they perform under stress. He makes the case for embedding resilience into the design of power, water, and communication systems—so communities can function even when external support fails.

Tune in to rethink how we design for disruption, not just efficiency.

Show Highlights
[00:00] Examining the massive power outage that paralyzed Spain and Portugal
[00:27] Introducing the concept of the Resilience Paradox in modern urban systems
[01:29] Unpacking the contradiction between citizen preparedness and fragile infrastructure
[02:27] Revealing the professional disconnect in how communities are designed and protected
[04:11] Rethinking infrastructure resilience through real-world examples and failures
[07:00] Outlining integration pathways to build inherently resilient communities
[07:21] Emphasizing the urgent need for governance reform and cross-disciplinary education
[07:58] Highlighting the importance of measuring and incentivizing resilience alongside sustainability

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, Kyle King challenges the core assumptions of American emergency management. He contrasts FEMA’s focus on efficiency with Europe’s emphasis on survival, revealing why traditional measures like response time and coordination no longer reflect the realities of modern disasters. Drawing on examples such as the Texas floods, Hurricane Maria, and the Texas winter storm, Kyle explains why it's time to measure how long communities can function without help, not how fast help can arrive.

Tune in for a critical look at outdated preparedness models, a fresh perspective from European strategies, and a path forward that prioritizes resilience over speed.

Show Highlights
[01:38] Why it is urgent to rethink how we measure disaster preparedness
[02:05] A look at the performance metrics in American emergency management
[03:05] The assumptions built into current disaster response strategies
[03:32] How Europe’s wartime mindset shapes crisis preparedness for survival
[05:27] Real-world failures from Texas floods to Hurricane Maria
[09:13] What the U.S. can learn from Europe’s focus on self-sufficiency and resilience
[12:40] A call to shift American emergency management from efficiency to endurance
[14:38] Reflections on building readiness for disasters when help may not come

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, Kyle King shows how growing disaster aid has weakened emergency management. He traces FEMA’s move from a coordination role to a relief fund handler, points out the costs of grant-driven processes, and makes the case for rebuilding from first principles.

Tune in for a close look at institutional hurdles, a proposal to separate relief and response, and a roadmap to restore true surge capacity—so communities are ready long before the next disaster hits.

Show Highlights
[00:19] FEMA’s shift from civil defense to all-hazards management
[01:18] How coordination gave way to relief-focused work
[02:54] The downsides of relying on post-disaster aid
[03:40] Key events that reshaped emergency management
[05:11] How relief priorities hollowed out coordination skills
[09:10] Bringing back rapid national mobilization
[10:59] Structural changes to balance readiness and relief
[15:58] Putting coordination back at the center of emergency response

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, host Kyle King challenges us to rethink everything we thought we knew about emergency management. Rather than layering on new frameworks after each disaster, Kyle argues for the courage to admit we don’t have all the answers—and to start over from first principles. He explores how institutional inertia traps us in “adding machine” thinking, why true innovation often comes from outside the field, and how we can design a system where response is truly a last resort.

Tune in for a bold vision of embedded resilience and the tools we need to build inherently safer, more adaptive communities.

Show Highlights

[01:08] Challenges to internal reform amid institutional inertia and failure of imagination

[02:15] Applying first-principles thinking to break free from outdated emergency management models

[03:25] Innovations emerging from outside the field to drive adaptive resilience

[05:56] Reimagining the system through community-centered, anticipatory approaches

[08:55] Outlining the path forward for building resilient communities

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, host Kyle King dives into insights from a House subcommittee hearing on FEMA’s future. He critiques the reliance on outdated institutional models amid today’s accelerating, interconnected crises—what experts label as polycrises and perma-crises.

Kyle calls for bold rethinking: integrating cross-domain insights, leveraging first principles thinking, and embracing adaptive, failure-informed learning.

Tune in to explore how emergency management must evolve to foster truly resilient communities.

Show Highlights
[01:07] Understanding polycrises and the rise of perma-crisis
[01:59] Institutional inertia and the failure of imagination
[05:01] The expertise trap and cognitive constraints
[07:47] Innovative pathways: cross-domain thinking and first principles
[09:48] Reimagining emergency management beyond traditional models

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, host Kyle King interviews Quin Lucie, a legal expert and former FEMA official with deep experience in national security and emergency management. Together, they explore the often-overlooked origins of FEMA. Quin reveals the agency’s roots in wartime mobilization and civil defense, offering a stark contrast to its modern disaster relief role. They examine how historical frameworks could inform today’s response to complex crises—ranging from pandemics to geopolitical threats. This episode is a deep dive into FEMA’s evolving mission, the intersection of policy and preparedness, and whether the U.S. needs to rethink its emergency management architecture.

Show Highlights:

[01:07] FEMA's wartime mobilization roots

[02:21] Quin Lucie's insights on FEMA's history

[11:17] FEMA's transition to disaster relief

[17:03] The modern FEMA and its challenges

[25:13] The future of FEMA: emergency management vs. disaster relief

[36:06] Policy implications and the path forward for FEMA

Connect with Quin Lucie

-Linkedin

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, host Kyle King examines the devastating aftermath of the Lahaina Fire through the lens of governance and emergency management. Drawing from the investigative article "The Most Expensive Report Ever Written," the episode explores how institutional decisions shaped the failure of response systems in Maui.

King analyzes official reports from the Maui Emergency Management Agency, arguing that treating emergency preparedness as a side function has deadly consequences. This episode makes the case for why emergency management must be re-centered as a core function of government.

Listen to uncover the moral and practical stakes of crisis response—and why change is urgently needed.

Show Highlights

[00:51] What happened in Lahaina—and why it matters
[01:25] How governance shapes emergency response
[03:01] When systems fail: the true cost of neglect
[03:52] Making emergency management a priority

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, host Kyle King sits down with Rick Fernandez, an expert in emergency management, humanitarian aid, and international police assistance. Rick brings extensive experience from his work at the U.S. Department of Justice, the New York City Emergency Management Department, and international humanitarian missions.

Kyle and Rick explore how human-centered design thinking can enhance planning processes and build stronger community and organizational resilience. They discuss how design thinking can be integrated with traditional emergency planning, foster improved trust and collaboration across agencies, and support the effective use of technology in crisis response.

Show Highlights
[02:06] Rick’s diverse career journey in emergency management
[05:13] Explanation of design thinking and its core steps
[06:35] Application of design thinking in emergency planning
[08:12] Integrating design thinking with traditional planning methods
[14:45] Challenges and solutions in inter-agency collaboration
[25:11] The role of technology in supporting crisis planning

Connect with Rick Fernandez
-Linkedin

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, host Kyle King sits down with Dr. Jim Wilson and Sharon Parrillo, two leading experts in health security and infection prevention.

Dr. Wilson, a health security specialist focused on early warning systems for high-risk infectious diseases, and Sharon, a board-certified infection prevention leader with two decades of experience, discuss the challenges of pandemic response, misinformation, and the evolving role of AI in health security.

From striking the right balance between early warnings and avoiding sensationalism to ensuring hospitals can maintain essential services during a crisis, this episode unpacks the critical role of trust and communication in emergency response.

Tune in to learn how health leaders navigate uncertainty and build resilience.

Show Highlights
[02:55] How early warning systems detected COVID-19 before global recognition
[05:12] The dangers of misinformation and the challenge of building public trust
[17:57] The evolving role of telemedicine and AI in infection prevention
[23:41] How hospitals balance infection control with keeping essential services running
[28:55] Rewriting the playbook on pandemic response and lessons for the future of health security

Connect with Dr. James Wilson and Sharon Parrillo
- Dr Wilson's Linkedin
- Ms. Parrillo's Linkedin

In this episode of the Crisis Lab Podcast, host Kyle King sits down with Nathan Gross, a public health and emergency management expert who has led major crisis responses at the CDC—including the Marburg Virus Disease task force and large-scale pandemic vaccination efforts.

With deep expertise in climate resilience, emergency preparedness, and crisis management, Nathan shares insights on how emergency management must evolve to address the growing impact of climate change and public health threats.

Show Highlights

[02:31] Climate change and emergency management
[03:26] Social determinants of health and their impact on crisis response
[06:37] Community resilience and the rise of climate refugees
[09:35] Public health and climate resilience strategies
[12:48] The role of emergency managers in shaping policy
[15:20] How climate change is reshaping risk assessments and preparedness
[18:05] Lessons learned from past climate-related disasters
[21:32] Successful implementations of climate resilience strategies

Connect with Nathan Gross
- Linkedin