September 20, 2021

Cube Feelbads: Breaking Zero-Sum Fun in Magic

1 hour 8 minutes

Our Innistrad: Midnight Hunt Cube survey is open! Please take a few minutes to let us know what you’re testing in your cube from the new set.

Andy and Anthony talk about the ‘feelbad’ moments in Magic and the cards that are more likely to create them. This seemingly narrow topic turns out to be one of the most critical and easy to take for granted aspects of Cube design: how do we make it fun? They pick out some of the most likely cards they play that can lead to negative experiences, why those experiences create the emotional responses they do, and where that risk is worthwhile.

Our listener submitted pack 1, pick 1 this week comes from Nick’s Noob Cube, a Cube designed to be approachable for new players including uncommons and doubled up commons. Nick created the amazing MTG Multiverse project, cataloging cards from the planes of Magic. Invaluable to designers building set themed cubes.

Timestamps:

0:00 — Official Cube banlist update

4:18 — Listener submitted pack 1, pick 1

10:20 — What is a "feelbad"

12:51 — Cards people think have feelbad potential in Andy's Bun Magic Cube

15:06 — Is Magic a Zero Fun game?

19:09 — Cards Andy himself thinks are feelbads in his Bun Magic Cube

27:43 — Combat tricks, Force Spikes, and feelbads in Anthony’s Regular Cube

40:17 — The agony and the ecstasy of Whitemane Lion and cards it feels bad to win with

46:30 — Effect density

48:43 — Repetitive play patterns

50:02 — Inheriting impressions from other formats and exceptions to the rules

53:17 — Esper Sentinel vs Thalia and perceived choices

55:05 — The inherent feelbad of variance

55:58 — Is there a way to make natural power outliers not feelbads?

59:51 — Summary — TLDL;

Discussed in this episode:

The restaurant has a rule about not eating all the fully loaded nachos

No rubbing linseed oil into the school cormorant

The Multiverse Project, cataloging cards set on Magic’s Planes

Fuschia Dunlop’s The Food of Sichuan

The Mala Market (originally Land of Plenty)

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You can find the hosts’ Cubes on Cube Cobra:

Andy’s “Bun Magic” Cube

Anthony’s “Regular” Cube

If you have a question for the show, or want us to do a pack 1, pick 1 from your cube, email us at [email protected]. Please include how you’d like to be credited, your pronouns, a link to your cube if relevant. You can also find both your hosts in the MTG Cube Talk Discord.

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Musical production by DJ James Nasty.

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By Andy Mangold and Anthony Mattox

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