The UAP phenomenon has been intruding into the fringes of our collective awareness in a pronounced way over the past several years. What was once definitively branded as loony talk has shifted amid waves of official disclosure, Pentagon acknowledgments, and sworn testimony before the U.S. Congress. In 2020, the Department of Defense confirmed the authenticity of several Navy videos, including footage recorded by pilots from the USS Nimitz carrier strike group during the 2004 “Tic Tac” incident.

Since then, congressional hearings in 2022 and 2023 have featured current and former military and intelligence officials alleging that the U.S. government—and potentially other nations—has maintained a long-running crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering program involving recovered craft and so-called “biologics.” While these claims remain unverified and are the subject of ongoing investigation, their entry into formal governmental proceedings marks a significant cultural shift in how the phenomenon is publicly discussed.

This mounting series of disclosures and the brave efforts of whistleblowers to make them possible are covered in the remarkable documentary film ‘The Age of Disclosure’.

In this groundbreaking SENSESPACE dialogue on the topic of UAP I bring together veteran journalist Matthew Green who has been tracking the UAP phenomenon in depth for years, and Layman Pascal, philosopher and writer, who’s ‘9th Quadrant’ essay demonstrates some of the most advanced engagement with this multi-dimensional phenomenon I’ve come across.

Why haven’t journalists fully integrated the UAP story despite years of sworn testimony before the U.S. Senate?

How legitimate is the UAP phenomena and do Matthew and Layman ‘believe’ it is real?

How logical would a program of government suppression be given the destabilising impacts of disclosure?Together we journey into this terrain. Considering how we can make sense of it and what an evolution of journalism might look like in this context. We explore the possibile necessity for para and extra-institutional 'councils' to engage extra-dimensional phenomena. We consider UAP in the context of a larger sea-change in our sense of the real alongside AI singularity, psychedelic renaissance, christian revival and more.Finally, if no amount of disclosure is enough to really ground this strangeness in our day to day awareness what is being asked of us? And what kind of consciousness must emerge for these phenomena to truly “land” in our awareness?

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Speakers

Matthew Green is a journalist, collective healing facilitator, and author with over a decade reporting globally for major news outlets before moving into integrative cultural work. He co-hosts dialogues on trauma, healing, and cultural transformation, drawing on his training in collective trauma integration and projects like Resonant World and What is Collective Healing?. He is a co-founder and facilitator of The Resonant Man Initiative.

Jacob Kishere is a philosopher, writer, rapper, and dialogue facilitator. Creator and host of SENSESPACE, his work traverses insight, wisdom, healing, and cultural complexity. He co-founded The Resonant Man and develops live events and dialogue spaces that explore collective evolution, ontology, and embodied meaning-making.www.jacobkishere.comLayman Pascal was incarnated on a remote island in the Pacific Northwest. He used to be a meditation teacher, yoga instructor & public speaker—but he’s feeling much better now. He is a writer on themes of cultural philosophy, shamanism and organic spiritual development.www.laymanpascal.substack.com/

A patient, deep and measured dialogue with Prof. Matthew David Segall in which we further the ongoing effort to think and imagine the evolution of Christianity ‘beyond itself’ in relation to myriad challenges and potentials both past and present.

We explore:

* Christian revival and ‘Christendom’ thinking

* Walking a path of sacred pluralism

* Christianity as both colonial and liberatory

* The power of ‘the word’ and the Christ event

* Atheism’s relation to death

* The musicality of being and divine resonance

* Tensions and dialogue with Islam

* Gender, Masculinity & Islam

* Church, Initiatory Spaces & Psychedelic Christianity

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Chapters:5:20 Emerging Christic movements, Christendom and Western decline7:00 Jacob’s journey in/out of Christianity, EUROTAS, peyote10:11 Matthew on Jesus’ non-violent ministry 13:40 Healing Christianity-indigenous relations15:10 Christianity as bringing a liberatory message17:56 Non-evangelism, concrete universality & pluralism20:41 The already-done Cosmic Christ event24:51 The impact of Atheist perspectives on death37:39 Musicality of life & divine resonance40:49 Islam and the West57:34 Dialogue with Islam1:07:00 Islam & the West as mirror to men & women1:18 Reclaiming indigenousness1:20 Church vs. initiatory ceremony (Buddha, Dharma, Sangha)1:29:40 Matt reflects on 20 years of YouTube philosophy

Our previous dialogue:This is the second dialogue in the series, following our first exploration which launched this series in Oct 2024:

Notes:Matthew’s Substack ☿ Footnotes2Plato ☼☽ More from Jacob:www.jacobkishere.comSENSESPACE’s Intro theme comes from our friend Coryayo’s cosmic medicine music.

As we enter the second year of the Resonant Man, we’re offering a limited number of men an opportunity to experience our weekly men’s circle for a month.

Our intention is to give men who are seriously considering joining the initiative time to experience the work and the field we’ve been cultivating before deciding whether to commit further as paid members.

Spaces will be allocated on a first come, first served basis. Participants will also be invited to join a WhatsApp group where we continue our dialogues between sessions.

Our weekly circle is a campfire where men can gather in the knowledge that they’re stepping into a supportive field of peers who are ready to witness them deeply in their struggles, questions and breakthroughs. Feedback is only offered when invited, and we recognise the value of moments of silence for allowing new insights to emerge, and deeper wisdom to be felt.

This is a high-value offer for men who are interested in

* Intergenerational dialogue

* Accountability and mutual support to achieve goals and establish daily practices

* Evolving monthly themes

* A space of sacred pluralism for authentic seekers

* Understanding ancestral, personal and collective healing

* Regular guest facilitators

* Sincerity and humor

If you’re keen to experience The Resonant Man, get in touch below or reply to this thread and we’ll arrange an introductory call. We look forward to meeting you.

Practicalities:

When: Sundays, 19:00 UK time /

Where: Zoom

What’s Required to Participate:

* Book an Introductory Call with Matthew and Jacob to answer any questions and see if it’s a good fit.

* Review our basic commitments in the Code of Honour.

* You’re ready to go

Regular Membership:

Membership of the Resonant Man is £125/month and includes participation in our WhatsApp group. There is no obligation to continue beyond your initial month’s commitment. We make this work as accessible as possible and concessions are available.

Welcoming Guest Facilitator: O.G. Rose

On Sunday 23 November we’ll welcome O.G. Rose, philosopher and author of Belonging Again. Daniel (O.G.) is a longtime friend of the initiative who has played an instrumental role in fostering philosophical fellowship and context for The Resonant Man.

He, with his co-writer and wife Michelle, is a poet, a philosopher, homesteader, father and American. We’re looking forward to his absolutely unique form of dialogue which brings to life the necessity of philosophy, dialogue, resonance and really thinking the age that we live in.

“We desire relationships with the quality of resonance because they show us what it really means to be together. The tragedy today is that we often don’t know what we’re missing out on—layers of resonance are lost or never even discovered.

The Resonant Man is working to explore and cultivate this, recognising that it is through resonance that our relationships can foster intimacy, healing, dynamism, and much more. And, that practicing resonance is how we do the work of realizing this vast unrealised potential.

Our much discussed Meaning Crisis is a Crisis of Resonance—a lack of a particular experience of flow, connection, and losing oneself that changes the meaning and possibility of the whole of life.”

I brought together two friends from the ‘Integrating Christianity: Fellowship & Dialogue’ community that I’ve been fostering out of the Perspectiva Realisation Festival where Matthew and I were speakers this summer.

I had a strong intuition to bring together Jonathan and Stephen for the first time on SENSESPACE to share in their affinity for the walk of wisdom, the richness of Tokien’s Lord of The Rings and the call to Pilgrimage.

Both Jonathan and Stephen recently undertook the Camino de Santiago and represent to me a certain kind of Englishmen that have retained the sense of enchantment that runs through our culture back to the works of Tolkien. Enjoy the dialogue with us.

About The Speakers:

Jonathan Woodbridge is currently on his ‘wise Re-enhantment’ pilgrimage and for the section of the journey is volunteering in the monastic community of Taizé. His deep roots and love is the soil of Sussex, England. His current life-work is focused on what John Vervaeke called the ‘Advent of the Sacred’ and investigating what it means to midwife this wisely.Stephen Winter is the author of ‘Wisdom from The Lord of The Rings’, a weekly publication. He lives in Tolkien’s Shire, the county of Worcestershire in the heart of England. The farm where his aunt lived, known to the locals as Bag End, is just a few miles from our cottage, and if you took away modern roads and telegraph poles, the countryside around here won’t have changed much in a hundred years. Stephen was a parish priest in the Church of England for 36 years before retiring in 2024 and now he is writing about Wisdom from The Lord of the Rings (you will find his blog by typing those words into your search engine) and making his cottage as much a homely house as he can for travellers on the road who might stop by.Stephen’s publication: Wisdom from The Lord of The Rings

Jacob Kishere is a professional dialogue facilitator, writer, rapper, and philosopher living in Ciudad de Oaxaca, México. He is the am the creator of SENSESPACE Podcast & SENSESPACE Studio: A live events and podcast production suite. He is the author of Culturepilgrim Substack & Rap Music and co-founder of The Resonant Man: an international men’s initiative gathering every Sunday.www.jacobkishere.com

Several months ago I had the wonderful opportunity to give a presentation to Ligare: A Christian Psychedelic Society. Now released on SENSESPACE, the dialogue shares my path from Christian upbringing to deep atheism and how early encounters with psychedelics catalysed the journey I am still on today.

The talk brings listeners alongside in my pilgrimage through philosophy, healing and the direct experiences that re-awoke the flame of Christ in my psyche.

I introduce my transformative project: Christianity Beyond Itself. Discussing some of its key principles including the trinitarian flow between Christianity, Philosophy and Plant Medicine and the distinction between a Christianity of “Arrival” versus “Journey.” I also explore what Dialogos is and its key role in transformative intercultural mediation.

Chapters:

2:00 Intro & Meditation

7:08 Jacob’s Christian Upbringing

10:33 Encountering Mushrooms

12:52 Self-Sacrifice

15:00 Dark Night of the Soul & Christ

17:40 Ayahuasca, The Art of Release, Jordan Bates

19:14 Introducing Christianity Beyond Itself

20:33 The Trinity of Christianity, Plant Medicine & Philosophy

23:11 A Christianity of Arrival vs. Journey

28:42 Mary & The Divine Mother

32:00 What is Dialogos

39:26 Talking to Christians About Plant Medicine

57:32 Building a Sacred Ecology of Practice

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In March 2025 I journeyed to Nihue Rao in Iquitos Peru for my most significant ‘diet’ with the Plant Medicine of Ayahuasca to date. The retreat was held by Maestro Remi Delaune, and his Shipibo teacher Maestro Ricardo Amaringo. I first experienced Remi’s works at ‘Kumankaya’ the remarkable healing center he and his wife Ashley built in the jungle of México. As a curandero he brings a one of a kind mixture of presence, humor, devotion to the medicine and indescribable Icaros.

His near 20 years as an Orthodox monk in France and transition to a deep study of Shipibo Ayahuasca medicine make him a unique teacher on the experiential, mystical and synergistic integration of Christianity and Plant Medicine. Remi’s work represents a key inspiration for my ongoing project ‘Christianity Beyond Itself’.

We recorded this impromptu interview exploring what Ayahuasca is and and Remi’s understanding of the relationship between Ayahuasca, Christianity and the Shipibo tradition. He shares the key practices of the Curandero, the idea of a ‘natural pentecost’ and the importance of a strong spiritual practice when approaching ayahuasca and why he is not an emissary of the plant.

*A note on audio fidelity*

This podcast was recorded in the open air at Nihue Rao in Iquitos Peru. There are lots of wonderful bird sounds. However, there was also some construction on site which shows up for a couple of minutes. These noisy moments have been included to preserve clarity and meaning in the dialogue.

“If you go into the core of it then you’re going to understand the Christianism has just begun, because nobody is capable of matching the level of spirituality of love, of service, of sacrifice that is required to be a true disciple of christ. And the Shipibos they don’t teach anything else than that; humility, love and service, being caring for people—that’s what they teach.

So for myself I do believe that christianity is teaching what true human beings should be. St Irene de de Lyon, a father of the church from the 2nd century, was saying “the glory of god is a living man” you understand? Living to the fullest his life, in the presence of God. His freedom to the fullest, in the presence of God.”

—Maestro Remi Delaune

Chapters:

3:30 Why do we drink Ayahuasca

08:00 What is the Icaro?

15:29 The relationship between Shipibo Ayahuasca tradition and Christianity

16:50-19:32 construction sound

19:52 Remi’s background in Greek Orthodox and mystical experience

20:42 Deepening Christianity through Ayahuasca

24:19 A ‘natural pentecost’ rather than a psychedelic renaissance

25:43 Ayahuasca is not for everyone

27:30 It’s important to have a spiritual practice when we engage with ayahuasca

28:00 The Five points that make a good Curandero