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The Curious Explorers are serving up 80s hair, animal symbolism, and what happens if you disrespect the infamous “Devil’s Tree,” in Basking Ridge, NJ. Even better, all of this comes with a complimentary Irish breakfast. It’s so hearty and delicious, even “Annabelle” makes a cameo tonight. So touch up that Aquanet, pull up a chair at the Woolworth’s counter, order yourself some turkey, stuffing and mashed potatoes, and keep an eye out for those vultures.

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00:00 Introduction and Personal Anecdotes

00:23 "It Smells Like the Beach"

04:35 You Won't Go Hungry in Little Ireland

08:41 "It's Not a Turkey"

14:44 Annabelle, Corpses, and Other Paranormal News

18:14 Cemetery Living

26:24 The Devil's Tree in Basking Ridge

26:48 Don’t Pee on the Devil

28:23 The Legend of the Devil's Tree

30:14 Local Folklore and Anecdotes

33:11 Historical Context and Rumors

36:12 "Weird New Jersey" Stories

44:15 It's Personal

50:23 Stay Curious and Keep Exploring

For more on the Curious Explorers podcast (and to buy us a coffee), visit: https://curious-explorers.com/

For more on THE Kathy Kelly and the Paranormal Museum in Asbury Park, NJ, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

And for more on Traci Stein, her other podcast, audio meditations, intuition course and upcoming events, visit: https://www.drtracistein.com/

Link to Episode with Other Paranormal News Items:

https://youtu.be/jFrNWvv3Axg?feature=shared

News Items Mentioned in this Episode

Annabelle and the Devils on the Run Tour

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/why-annabelle-touring-us-quick-facts-about-doll-devils-run-1734120

Annabelle on Tour

https://www.ctinsider.com/entertainment/article/annabelle-doll-tiktok-warren-conjuring-20325005.php

“I Live in a Cemetery Alongside Corpses…”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-live-cemetery-alongside-corpses-34386153

Mum Lost Half Her Body Weight – Thanks to a Ghost and Bonking Her New Man

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/mum-lost-half-body-weight-33642364

Devil’s Tree (Thrillist)

https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/most-haunted-places-in-america

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• What do Monty Python and New Jersey have in common? 
• What creepy cryptid is terrorizing Hoboken kids? 
• Which paranormal podcaster is related to Traci? 
• And how can you win our first-ever giveaway? 

Check out our first episode of Season 2 - recorded live at the Paranormal Museum in Asbury Park! - for answers to these questions and more. 

For more on the Curious Explorers podcast (and to buy us a coffee), visit: https://curious-explorers.com/

For more on the Severed True Crime Podcast, Drew Hudson and Harry Chambers, visit: https://www.severedpodcast.com/

For more on THE Kathy Kelly and the Paranormal Museum in Asbury Park, NJ, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

And for more on Traci Stein, her other podcast, audio meditations, intuition course and upcoming events, visit: https://www.drtracistein.com/

For a chance to win one of Traci’s albums in the “Cultivating Intuition” series with Hemi-Sync:

Leave us a comment on YouTube (@CuriousExplorersShow) with

1. Your favorite cryptid, and 
2. Your guess for which of these podcast hosts (Kathy, Drew, or Harry) is related to Traci.

(Only one entry per person.) Winner(s) will be announced on May 15th!)

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In this episode, Kathy and Traci go deep down the rabbit hole of Psi Savant Wolf Messing, the Soviet campaign to perfect and weaponize psychic powers, what the CIA knew about this, and more. They also take some detours into everything from alien encounters on Cape Cod, to NJ drone sightings, dogs chasing deer, and “the Italian Goodbye.” 

For more information on the Curious Explorers podcast, visit: 

https://curious-explorers.com/

For more on Kathy Kelly and the Paranormal Museum, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

For more on the Jersey Devil Fable Festival in Asbury Park, NJ, May 2-4, visit: https://allevents.in/asbury%20park/jersey-devil-fable-fest/200027673135308

For information and tickets for the Ghost Investigation with TV’s Adam Berry and Kathy Kelly, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/jersey-devil-fable-fest-investigation-with-adam-berry/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJ3XM5leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFEc0tPVmdubXZ1YXRiNjZCAR6plHo8Sdiafu4FExL7CZtId-4AWxUee5uLCPKoLrWeWUiXMAgDNyPdfMPJiQ_aem_ExqxScMnO6X0qkG7wJlk0A

For more on Traci Stein, her other podcast, audio programs and more, visit:

https://www.drtracistein.com/

To read the declassified CIA report, "Soviet and Eastern European Parapsychology Research," visit: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/NSA-RDP96X00790R000100010041-2.pdf

To read the New York Times article referenced in this episode, visit: https://www.nytimes.com/1977/06/19/archives/emigre-tells-of-research-in-soviet-in-parapsychology-for-military.html

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Is Kathy’s new house haunted? What visual anomalies manifested during filming? And is whatever’s spooking Kathy’s dogs connected to whoever’s buried on her property? 

In this episode, the Curious Explorers unpack these mysteries and more. They also chat about the results of Kathy and Adam Berry’s mini investigation of the new museum in Provincetown. Finally, Kathy and Traci preview the upcoming Jersey Devil Fable Festival in Asbury Park, New Jersey (it’s the same weekend as the one year anniversary of Curious Explorers!).

For more on the Jersey Devil Fable Festival, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/the-jersey-devil-festival/

For more on the upcoming ghost investigation in Asbury Park with TV’s Adam Berry, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/jersey-devil-fable-fest-investigation-with-adam-berry/

To learn more about the Curious Explorers hosts and the podcast, or to buy us a coffee, visit: https://curious-explorers.com/

For more on Kathy Kelly and the Paranormal Museum in Asbury Park, NJ, as well as ghost tours, investigations, and other events, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

For more on Traci Stein, her guided hypnotic imagery, upcoming events, and her other podcast, “Unpacking Possibility with Dr. Traci Stein,”  visit: https://www.drtracistein.com/

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Was Patience Worth a 17th-century muse to 20th-century housewife Pearl Curran? Was the Ouija board the portal for Worth to transmit her writing through Curran?  Or was Curran disguising - or even consciously unaware of - her own literary gifts?

In this episode, Kathy and Traci explore the history and controversies surrounding the Patience Worth case and ponder other reported cases of otherworldly inspiration. They also discuss the broader themes of mediumship, spiritual communication, reincarnation, and the complex interplay between the conscious and subconscious mind. 

To learn more about the Curious Explorers hosts and the podcast, or to buy us a coffee, visit: https://curious-explorers.com/

For more on Kathy Kelly and the Paranormal Museum in Asbury Park, NJ, as well as ghost tours, investigations, the Jersey Devil Fable Festival and other events, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

For more on Traci Stein, her guided hypnotic imagery, upcoming events, and her other podcast, “Unpacking Possibility with Dr. Traci Stein,”  visit: https://www.drtracistein.com/

00:00 Chit-Chat and Winter Woes

00:36 Live Event Ideas: Ghostly Karaoke

02:07 Introducing the Patient's Worth Case

05:10 The Life of Pearl Curran

13:37 Patient's Worth: The Spirit's Story

20:49 Exploring the Literary Merit of Historical Works

21:40 The Influence of Patience Worth on Spiritual Communication

21:55 Psychological Perspectives on Mediumship

22:09 The Complexity of Pearl Curran's Writings

23:00 The Role of the Subconscious in Creative Writing

23:57 Modern Examples of Channeling and Creativity

26:19 Historical and Modern Cases of Unexplained Talent

28:28 The Phenomenon of Channeling in Creative Processes

33:58 Final Thoughts on Channeling and Creativity

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In this special collaboration with "Unpacking Possibility," Traci interviews Kathy about all things paranormal!

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Have you ever had a dream that later came true? Experienced, “mother’s intuition?” Sensed the presence of a loved one after they passed away? Or had a gut feeling that proved to be right? If you’re like 67% of people according to a recent survey, you’ve probably had at least one experience that falls under the broad umbrella of the “paranormal.” 

In this episode, Traci Stein welcomes back her good friend, Kathy Kelly, a historian, owner of the Paranormal Museum, and co-host of their podcast, “Curious Explorers.” They dive deep into how we experience the paranormal, from energy healing and intuition to ghosts, hauntings, and much more. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this episode offers a fascinating exploration of the unseen and the unknown.

For more on Kathy Kelly, the Paranormal Museum, ghost tours and more, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

To view the main survey mentioned in this episode, visit: https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/44143-americans-describe-paranormal-encounters-poll

For more on Traci Stein, visit: https://www.drtracistein.com/

Follow "Unpacking Possibility with Dr. Traci Stein" on all your favorite streaming platforms, including Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unpacking-possibility-with-dr-traci-stein/id1560681195?i=1000620641342

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In Part II of the interview with Marty Stalker,  director of "Hostage to the Devil," Marty does a deeper dive into controversial exorcist, Father Malachi Martin; demonic possession;  and the paranormal phenomena that he continues to encounter when speaking on these topics. In fact, you’ll hear some of the strange audio interference we experienced while recording; and in the YouTube version, you’ll get another glimpse of the type of light anomaly that punctuated the interview.

Marty also discusses his conversations with notable personalities like Malachi Martin’s staunchest critic, Robert Blair Kaiser; radio legend Art Bell; Malachi Martin’s confidant, Ralph Sarchie; Father Cesar Truqui, and more.

Finally, Marty shares details on his upcoming sequel to the documentary,  “Hostage to the Devil.”

Tune in for an intriguing conversation about filmmaking and one of the Catholic church’s most enigmatic and polarizing figures.

(And catch the YouTube version to see some of the visual anomalies that occurred during the interview: https://www.youtube.com/@CuriousExplorersShow)

For more on Marty Stalker and the “Hostage to the Devil” podcast, visit:

https://martystalker.com/

And

https://www.youtube.com/@CausewayPicturesNI

For more on Kathy Kelly and the Paranormal Museum in Asbury Park, NJ, as well as ghost tours, investigations, the Jersey Devil Fable Festival and other events, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

For more on Traci Stein, her guided hypnotic imagery, upcoming events, and her other podcast, “Unpacking Possibility with Dr. Traci Stein,”  visit: https://www.drtracistein.com/

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In this episode of Curious Explorers, we’re joined by Marty Stalker, the director of the documentary 'Hostage to the Devil,' which explores the life of Jesuit priest and exorcist Malachi Martin. Marty reveals his 6-year journey making the film, discusses the controversial life of Father Martin, and describes the supernatural “resistance” Marty encountered while making the movie and since then. The interview also delves deep into the complex character of Father Martin, the controversies around exorcism, and Marty's personal spiritual journey. 

Tune in for an intriguing conversation about filmmaking and one of the Catholic church’s most enigmatic and polarizing figures.

(And catch the YouTube version to see some of the visual anomalies that occurred during the interview: https://www.youtube.com/@CuriousExplorersShow)

For more on Marty Stalker and the “Hostage to the Devil” podcast, visit:

https://martystalker.com/

And

https://www.youtube.com/@CausewayPicturesNI

For more on Kathy Kelly and the Paranormal Museum in Asbury Park, NJ, as well as ghost tours, investigations, the Jersey Devil Fable Festival and other events, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

For more on Traci Stein, her guided hypnotic imagery, upcoming events, and her other podcast, “Unpacking Possibility with Dr. Traci Stein,”  visit: https://www.drtracistein.com/

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction

00:23 Special Guest Announcement

01:59 Marty Stalker's Background

04:42 Technical Difficulties and Paranormal Resistance

05:58 Marty's Experiences and Insights

09:07 Father Malachi Martin's Mystique

21:23 Marty's Personal Journey and Beliefs

26:34 Frustrations with Religion and Spirituality

27:08 Creating a Film Without Bias

27:19 Pride in the Film and Its Reception

27:46 Complexity of the Subject

28:30 Audience Reactions and Interpretations

33:44 Exorcism and Its Rarity

38:56 Personal Experiences and Intuition

47:21 Challenges and Supernatural “Resistance”

51:06 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Did the Ouija board help a woman find her soul mate? Are otherworldly advisors inherently “good” or could they be something more sinister? And who’s our special guest on an upcoming episode of Curious Explorers?

For answers to these questions and more, check out this week’s episode where Kathy and Traci tackle these topics and more!

For more information on the Curious Explorers Podcast, or to buy us a coffee, visit: https://curious-explorers.com/

For more on Kathy Kelly and the Paranormal Museum and the Original Asbury Park Ghost Tour, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

For more on Traci Stein, visit: https://www.drtracistein.com/

To view the episode of “Unsolved Mysteries” featuring paranormal investigator Don and his spirit helper, Becky, (Season 5, Episode 2), visit: https://www.netflix.com/browse

To read a free copy of the article, “It All Started with a Ouija Board,” visit: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/10/style/laura-acker-evan-menscher-wedding.html?unlocked_article_code=1.t04.l_o5.5GHwhaTo7CTP&smid=url-share

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Can our intentions affect matter? Why do words seem to reshape water crystals? Can energy healers make mice live longer or kill cancer cells? And if our thoughts and intentions are powerful, could this be dangerous? In this episode of Curious Explorers, Traci and Kathy dive into some of the science on energy healing in the lab and ponder what that means outside of it. 

For more on the podcast, or to buy us a coffee, visit: 

https://curious-explorers.com/

For more on Kathy Kelly, the Paranormal Museum, and the original Asbury Park Ghost Tours and more, visit: https://paranormalbooksnj.com/

For more on Traci Stein, visit:

https://www.drtracistein.com/

Articles referenced in this episode: 

Abe, K., Ichinomiya, R., Kanai, T., & Yamamoto, K. (2012). Effect of a Japanese energy healing method known as Johrei on viability and proliferation of cultured cancer cells in vitro. The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 18(3), 221-228.

Bengston W, Cizdziel P, Tanaka A, Matsuda H. Differential In Vivo Effects on Cancer Models by Recorded Magnetic Signals Derived From a Healing Technique. Dose-Response. 2023;21(2). doi:10.1177/15593258231179903

Grad B, Cadoret R, Paul G. An unorthodox method of treatment on wound healing in mice. Int J Parapsychol. 1961;3:5-24.

Grad B. A telekinetic effect on plant growth II experiments involving treatment of saline in stoppered bottles. Int J Parapsychol. 1963;5:114-133.

Radin D, Hayssen G, Emoto M, Kizu T. Double-blind test of the effects of distant intention on water crystal formation. Explore (NY). 2006 Sep-Oct;2(5):408-11. doi: 10.1016/j.explore.2006.06.004. PMID: 16979104.

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