Following the tragic shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University, Shannon Russell, who was at the event, Natalie Perry, Grace Raje, a student at UVU, and Kimball Call discuss the effects of the internet and polarization, how we can help each other and our families, and how we deal with these issues we’re facing by recognizing and following our internal compass.
00:00 Introduction and Host's Welcome
00:44 Panel Introductions
01:21 Grace's Perspective on the Assassination
02:13 Natalie's Experience at the Event
08:07 Discussion on Social Media and Misinformation
19:23 Generational Differences and Digital Natives
27:15 Impact of Internet on Young Men
30:27 The Impact of Internet Rabbit Holes on Young Men
31:06 Promoting Positive Masculinity in Education
31:55 Escapism and Its Role in Extremism
32:54 The Importance of Connection Over Avoidance
33:26 Maternal Feminism vs. Modern Feminism
35:27 Fostering Critical Thinking in the Digital Age
37:30 The Dangers of Overstimulation and Dopamine Addiction
41:13 Challenging the Untruths of Fragility, Emotional Reasoning, and Us vs. Them
46:20 The Pressure to Form Immediate Opinions
50:22 Encouraging Civil Discourse and Embracing Failure
55:33 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
“We recognize and follow our intuitive internal compass to speak and act with integrity. And so as we teach this tenet at an international level, we are so blessed to hear from mothers and women all over the globe who believe in following our internal compass. And that is something that every person on this earth has and needs to learn how to use and, and how do we tap into that internal compass? How do we speak, how do we act? Those are the issues I think that we need to address and are very relevant to what happened this week.” - Natalie Perry
“Personally, I think we're gonna look back at kids having social media the same way we look back on how prevalent smoking was in the seventies and eighties… We're gonna say, ‘What were we thinking? Giving kids access to that amount of information before they were trained or taught how to process it, how to filter it out, how to use it for good or use it for other uses.’ It's seriously doing some real damage to not just our kids, but to adults as well. I think there's a lot of interesting research coming out about that, but I don't think you need to be in the research to see the negative effects. I think you can just look at what's been happening over the last week.” - Kimball Call
“I think that the family unit is the best place and arguably the only place that's really suitable to hold space for our generation. As we process this disassociation, as we process this dystopian pit in our stomach and the expectation to speak articulately about our thoughts on social media, because that's what's expected of us, even though we're actually processing an emotional thing, and our hearts and brains aren't always communicating. So the family and mothers specifically have a very special and unique ability to hold space for my generation to not have to be articulate, to not have to post right away, to maybe even feel indifferent or to feel sick or to feel whatever they're feeling without criticism, because this is an emotional event.” - Grace Raje
“We need to get back to reality, and we need to help kids grow up in reality. So one of the best ways moms and parents can help their kids is to give them a childhood that resembles the childhood [they] probably experienced. . . .Before the internet was a thing, get kids off video games, get kids off. Don't let them have social media. Get them in touch with books. Help them fall in love with reading. Help them fall in love with nature, help them fall in love with sports and in-person social activities with friends.” - Kimball Call
“When you can stop seeing things as us versus them, you can think critically.” - Kimball Call
“There's this moral obligation to have opinions about everything. . . not that it's wrong to have an opinion, anybody who knows me knows I'm remarkably opinionated, but the problem is that we confuse our identity with our opinions, and then when you're wrong or you have new information, it's hard to admit that you're wrong because it feels like a compromisation of your worth. And the thing that I've learned in order to . . . interface with difficult concepts and be able to hear other people's opinions, is to remove my worth from my opinions, to remove my emotional response from my opinions, and then understand that my internal compass is the gift that I have to discern between the two, and that that takes practice. But as you continue to practice that, it'll be a lot easier, and all of a sudden I can just admit that I'm wrong about something, but I know who I am and I know the worth of the person I'm discussing this, too, and it's not so emotionally charged anymore. It can be about ideas and this sort of effortlessly starts to happen as we practice and as we recognize our own internal worth.” - Grace Raje
“Don't be afraid of failure. Don't be afraid of adversity. I think something that the Charlie Kirk assassination teaches us is that, I mean, here was a guy, whether or not you agree with his politics, here was a guy out there not afraid to be open with where he stood, and let people challenge him. He wasn't afraid of failure. He wasn't afraid of that, and I think in a lot of ways I've seen people on both sides of the aisle recently praising that behavior.” - Kimball Call
The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness by Jonathan Haidt
The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt
Kimball Call is an economics student at Brigham Young University and the lead editor of The Cougar Chronicle, an independent student newspaper. Kimball is passionate about issues and policies surrounding family, faith, and young men. He has been with Big Ocean Women for 5 months and is excited to continue contributing his insights on the rising generation. He can be found on instagram and X @kimballcall, where he shares insights on economics, family issues, and matters related to Gen-Z.
Wife to Anthony for 28 wonderful years, Natalie Perry is a dedicated full-time mother of six children, proud grandmother of two (with two more on the way!), and a passionate advocate for marriage, fathers, and the vital role of motherhood. A natural gatherer, Natalie cherishes every opportunity to bring people together—whether it’s for dinners, birthdays, vacations, movie nights, or spontaneous game nights. She finds joy and purpose in creating meaningful connections with those around her. As a member of Big Ocean Women, Natalie uplifts and empowers women through faith, family, and community. Her life is a testament to the power of love, connection, and purposeful living as a disciple of Jesus Christ.
Grace Raje is the Director of Global Strategy and has served various roles within Big Ocean Women, including WAVE leader, Digital Presence Manager, and Event Coordinator. She is currently pursuing a degree in Global Politics and is passionate about social change through the non-profit and government sectors. When she is not working, you can find Grace exploring national parks, rock climbing, or gardening with her husband.
