Curtis Yarvin returns to discuss the logic of the “empire of love” and the possibilities of an American “perestroika.” He calls on Washington to shutter its foreign embassies, withdraw from the UN, and dissolve the transatlantic relationship.

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Time Stamps:

• 01:38 What is the American Empire?
• 03:12 The centrality of the State Department
• 06:10 The significance of withdrawing from the UN
• 08:10 Eliminate US embassies
• 12:37 Recentering the national interest
• 14:10 Afghanistan as a self-licking ice cream cone
• 16:03 The importance of dominating outer space
• 18:41 End the pursuit of global order
• 19:52 We don’t care about your conflicts
• 22:23 Trade surpluses as the outdated assumption of the “empire of love”
• 25:10 Parallels with perestroika
• 30:30 Dissolve the transatlantic relationship