Mike Kuiken and Josh Hodges, two commissioners on the congressionally appointed US-China Economic and Security Review Commission, join us to discuss the recommendations of the Commission’s 2025 annual report and the state of US-China relations more broadly.

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• 00:01:00 What is the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission?
• 00:04:21 The China Problem
• 00:13:59 A Challenge to the Democratic World?
• 00:17:23 The Axis of Autocracy
• 00:26:15 Biden-Era Framework
• 00:31:34 Policy Recommendations
• 00:47:24 Necessary International Partnerships

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Glenn Diesen, professor at the University of South-Eastern Norway and host of the Greater Eurasia Podcast, joins us to discuss the current state of affairs in Europe, including the West’s approach to the war in Ukraine, the future of integration on the continent, and the militarization of Scandinavia. 

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• 00:01:23 Glenn Diesen’s Background
• 00:03:14 Interest in Russia
• 00:10:23 Return to Norway and Analytical Perspective
• 00:14:22 What is Scandinavia?
• 00:15:59 From Neutrality to NATO
• 00:22:47 The U.S. Position
• 00:27:38 The Future of Europe
• 00:38:28 Will the EU Survive?
• 00:43:52 Nord Stream
• 00:48:44 Competition in the Arctic
• 00:55:25 An Opening for China in Europe?

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Mathew Burrows, program lead of the Stimson Center’s Strategic Foresight Hub, joins us to discuss his career in the CIA and the National Intelligence Council, where he was the lead author of Global Trends, a non-classified report released every four years as an aid to incoming administrations. We also discuss transformative global events of recent decades, the mechanics of predicting trends, and what policymakers often get wrong in confronting the world.  

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• 00:1:36 Mathew Burrows’ Early Biography
• 00:5:03 A Job at the CIA
• 00:14:12 The Collapse of the Communist Bloc
• 00:16:41 Move to the National Intelligence Council
• 00:22:20 9/11 and the Intelligence Community
• 00:27:21 Snowden Saga
• 00:28:54 Global Trends
• 00:31:41 China Prescience
• 00:39:16 Trump Admin. & Death of Global Trends
• 00:48:09 Enter the Policymakers

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John Mearsheimer, world-renowned scholar of international relations, joins us to discuss the state of play in the Middle East, East Asia, and Eastern Europe. We also examine the relationship between realism and morality, the nature of the China threat, and the origins of “offshore balancing.” 

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Leonard Benardo, Senior Vice President at the Open Society Foundations, joins us to discuss OSF’s emergence and evolution, defining values of open societies, and heterodox thinking for turbulent times.

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• 01:29 – Lenny Benardo’s Biography
• 05:20 – Origins of OSF’s Name and Mission
• 09:23 – The “Wild East” and OSF’s Work in the Former Soviet Union
• 16:55 – OSF’s Approach to Russia, Post-Soviet States, and Eastern Europe
• 18:53 – Conceptualizing Human Rights
• 22:06 – Western Foundations, Domestic Politics, and the Case of Hungary
• 25:01 – Tensions Between Nationalism and Liberal Universalism
• 30:14 – Dynamics of EU Expansion
• 36:36 – “Open Society” as a Concept Today
• 38:42 – Ideas Versus Action
• 47:45 – Lessons Learned for Approaching China
• 50:43 – Future of Transatlantic Relationship
• 54:28 – The Status of American Empire

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Zhao Long, Deputy Director of the Institute for Global Strategic and Security Studies in Shanghai, returns to the Trialogue to discuss Beijing’s perspective on a slew of recent high-profile summits, in the context of China’s complex relations with Russia, the United States, India, and North Korea. 

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• 01:13 – Beijing’s Take on Alaska Summit
• 07:38 – China as a Guarantor in Ukraine?
• 11:54 – SCO Summit & China-India Relations
• 17:05 – SCO’s Role & Non-Western Banks
• 23:17 – Russian Energy & Power of Siberia 2
• 30:11 – Putin, Xi & Kim Meet on Victory Day
• 36:58 – A Series of Trilateral Relationships

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Samuel Moyn, the Chancellor Kent Professor of Law and History at Yale University, joins us to discuss the philosophical underpinnings of liberalism, its role in international relations, and the possibility of a multipolar liberal order emerging in a period of U.S. decline.

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• 01:15: The Liberal Order in Decline
• 03:47: Features of Liberalism
• 08:51: Liberalism in International Relations
• 11:15: The Intellectuals’ Abandonment of Liberalism
• 16:58: The Roots of Neoconservatism
• 20:43: Liberal Internationalists, Human Rights, and Intervention 
• 27:41: Decolonization as a Liberal Project
• 32:41: A Coming Liberal Multipolar Order?
• 43:35: The EU’s Position in the Emerging Order

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Jana Kobzova, Director of the European Security Program at the European Council on Foreign Relations and former foreign policy adviser to the president of Slovakia, joins us to discuss the European perspective on the Trump-Putin summit in Alaska, the Washington meeting between Trump, Zelensky, and top European leaders, and the future of the war in Ukraine.

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• 04:21 Domestic Dynamics in Ukraine and Anti-Corruption Agencies
• 11:28 Europe’s Reaction to Shifts in U.S. Policy Under Trump
• 17:00 Origins of Alaska Summit
• 20:24 European Red Lines
• 27:42 Europe’s Take on Alaska Summit Outcomes
• 30:03 European Shock Over Trump’s U-Turn on Ceasefire
• 37:57 Any Evolution in Ukrainian and Russian Positions?
• 43:02 Trump Administration’s Objectives
• 48:05 European Goals: What is the Alternative to Russia’s Proposals?
• 57:13 Possibility of Putin-Zelensky Meeting

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Dmitry Suslov, Deputy Director of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies at the Higher School of Economics in Moscow, joins us to discuss the Trump-Putin summit in Alaska and Russia’s expectations for a settlement in Ukraine.

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• 01:30 US-Russia relations heading into the summit
• 03:26 Limits to future US-Russia cooperation
• 08:42 Failure of American pressure on India, China, Brazil
• 13:42 Witkoff’s visit to Moscow
• 17:07 Why Alaska?
• 19:31 Security guarantees
• 35:58 Russia-NATO
• 38:30 Likelihood of a Putin-Zelensky meeting?
• 43:48 EU membership for Ukraine?
• 47:24 “Denazification"

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Victoria Panova, Vice Rector of HSE and Head of Russia’s BRICS Expert Council, joins us to discuss the history of BRICS, Russia’s attitude toward the association, and the differences between BRICS and other international formats, such as the G7 and the G20.

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• 02:01 Russia and the G7/G8
• 08:35 Origins of BRICS
• 09:50 Primakov and the idea of RIC
• 16:36 First meetings of BRIC in Russia
• 18:52 Adding South Africa to BRICS
• 21:34 China-India tensions
• 24:04 Changes in BRICS over the last 15 years
• 29:27 Global South, Global East, Global Majority?
• 31:31 How has the Ukraine war changed BRICS?
• 33:36 BRICS and the West
• 44:23 Could the US join BRICS?
• 45:55 BRICS expansion

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