Zhao Hai, Director of the International Politics Program in the National Institute for Global Strategy at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, returns to the Trialogue to discuss the impact of the US-Israeli war with Iran, the state of US-China trade relations, the future of international institutions, and the prospects of stabilizing cross-strait relations, among other subjects.

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Mathew Burrows, program lead of the Stimson Center's Strategic Foresight Hub, returns to the podcast for a forward-looking conversation. We discuss global demographic decline, the energy transition, the promises and limits of AI, the future of the transatlantic relationship, and China's role in a multipolar world.

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Curt Mills, executive director of The American Conservative magazine, joins the Trialogue to discuss the evolution of anti-interventionist thought on the American right. In this conversation we cover the origins of American empire, the extent of U.S. global commitments, the future of NATO, competition with China, and the strategic direction of U.S. foreign policy in Trump’s second term.

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The expiration of New Start on February 5 marks the end of over half a century of bilateral efforts to advance strategic arms control. On February 3, the Stimson Center and the Oppenheimer Project convened leading nuclear experts from the US and Russia to imagine what comes next. The American speakers were Scott Sagan (Stanford University), Rita Guenther (The National Academies), and Matthew Bunn (Harvard Kennedy School). The Russian side was represented by Feodor Voitolovsky (Institute of World Economy and International Relations), Dmitry Stefanovich (Institute of World Economy and International Relations), and Anton Khlopkov (Center for Energy and Security Studies). This episode was recorded as a live online event.

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• 00:02:20 Russia’s Position on New START
• 00:10:50 Extending New START Limits
• 00:16:26 Technology and Strategic Stability
• 00:21:09 Track Two Dialogues
• 00:24:54 NPT Review Conference and Iran
• 00:28:51 Russia on Iran and North Korea
• 00:38:40 Verification and Data Exchange After New START
• 00:45:31 New Russian Nuclear Systems
• 01:03:29 Future of Arms Control

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Fyodor Lukyanov, Editor-in-Chief of Russia in Global Affairs, returns to the Trialogue at the start of an already-eventful year to take stock of Russian strategy amid dramatic U.S. intervention in Venezuela, crisis in Iran, and negotiations over the future of Ukraine.

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• 00:01:23 – Reaction to Trump Corollary to Monroe Doctrine
• 00:08:25 – The Case of Venezuela
• 00:16:02 – Possible U.S. Intervention in Iran
• 00:23:56 – A Year of Trump 2.0
• 00:28:44 – The Role of Europe
• 00:32:28 – Russian Objectives in Ukraine
• 00:49:44 – Balancing US-Russia Relations & Ukraine War Aims
• 00:55:55 – World Order in 10 Years

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Zhou Bo, a retired senior colonel in the PLA and a senior fellow in the Center for International Security and Strategy at Tsinghua University, returns to the Trialogue to discuss China’s calculations about recent events, including the release of the U.S. National Security Strategy, tense Sino-Japanese relations, the situation in Taiwan, and negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.

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• 00:01:53 – First Year of Trump 2.0
• 00:05:59 – The Role of Tariffs
• 00:11:36 – Beijing’s Response to U.S. National Security Strategy
• 00:16:12 – Trump’s Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine
• 00:19:52 – Current Sino-Japanese Relations
• 00:29:22 – Strategy on Taiwan
• 00:33:12 – Ukraine War Negotiations
• 00:37:49 – China’s Relationship with the EU
• 00:42:53 – Looking to the AI Future

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Mike Kuiken and Josh Hodges, two commissioners on the congressionally appointed US-China Economic and Security Review Commission, join us to discuss the recommendations of the Commission’s 2025 annual report and the state of US-China relations more broadly.

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• 00:01:18 What is the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission?
• 00:04:39 The China Problem
• 00:14:17 A Challenge to the Democratic World?
• 00:17:41 The Axis of Autocracy
• 00:26:33 Biden-Era Framework
• 00:31:52 Policy Recommendations
• 00:47:42 Necessary International Partnerships

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Glenn Diesen, professor at the University of South-Eastern Norway and host of the Greater Eurasia Podcast, joins us to discuss the current state of affairs in Europe, including the West’s approach to the war in Ukraine, the future of integration on the continent, and the militarization of Scandinavia. 

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• 00:01:23 Glenn Diesen’s Background
• 00:03:14 Interest in Russia
• 00:10:23 Return to Norway and Analytical Perspective
• 00:14:22 What is Scandinavia?
• 00:15:59 From Neutrality to NATO
• 00:22:47 The U.S. Position
• 00:27:38 The Future of Europe
• 00:38:28 Will the EU Survive?
• 00:43:52 Nord Stream
• 00:48:44 Competition in the Arctic
• 00:55:25 An Opening for China in Europe?

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Mathew Burrows, program lead of the Stimson Center’s Strategic Foresight Hub, joins us to discuss his career in the CIA and the National Intelligence Council, where he was the lead author of Global Trends, a non-classified report released every four years as an aid to incoming administrations. We also discuss transformative global events of recent decades, the mechanics of predicting trends, and what policymakers often get wrong in confronting the world.  

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• 00:1:36 Mathew Burrows’ Early Biography
• 00:5:03 A Job at the CIA
• 00:14:12 The Collapse of the Communist Bloc
• 00:16:41 Move to the National Intelligence Council
• 00:22:20 9/11 and the Intelligence Community
• 00:27:21 Snowden Saga
• 00:28:54 Global Trends
• 00:31:41 China Prescience
• 00:39:16 Trump Admin. & Death of Global Trends
• 00:48:09 Enter the Policymakers

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John Mearsheimer, world-renowned scholar of international relations, joins us to discuss the state of play in the Middle East, East Asia, and Eastern Europe. We also examine the relationship between realism and morality, the nature of the China threat, and the origins of “offshore balancing.” 

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