Conventional security training leaves a lot to be desired.

So what can CISOs do, to deliver training and security awareness in a way that is effective, and engaging?

Over the last few episodes we've discussed both the psychology, and human factors, around cybersecurity. To finish the series, in this programme we will look at experiential learning, or learning by doing.

Our guest is Amy Stokes-Waters. She delivers exactly that, by running escape rooms for organisations who want to improve security awareness, but want to move away from slide-heavy courses, and checkbox compliance. She's also written a paper on experiential learning in cybersecurity.

But does it work? She discusses cyber escape rooms, learning theory, and the pros and cons of measurement with editor Stephen Pritchard.