The cybersecurity industry has long complained of a skills shortage.

But is the industry itself at least partially to blame?

From recruitment processes to training, development and retention, and a lack of diversity, there is certainly work to be done. And with no let up in cyber threats, and a growing demand for skilled staff, this needs to be tackled with urgency.

Our guests this week are setting out to do that. Sally Walker is a former director of cybersecurity at GCHQ. She is now neurodiversity champion at WithYouWithMe, a social impact company looking to change the way we hire staff across the technology industry. And she is joined by former police officer Jim Fox, now a security consultant at Capita.