In the 4th episode of What The F*ck's Up Podcast, Caitlin is joined by Danielle Lauder, long time friend and creator of Estée Lauder's Act IV makeup collection.  The episode begins with them discussing the current climate and the similar ways in which the quarter life crisis and the current Coronavirus pandemic impact mental health. They then delve into what drew Danielle to join her family company and create Act IV, and how family members like great-grandmother Estée (pronounced "es-teeh"), grandmother Evelyn, and grandfather Leonord ("Pa") have inspired her to pursue her dreams.  During the "quarter life qualms" portion of the episode, they discuss mental health issues like anxiety and depression and how it can make the 20s that much more daunting. The episode then ends on a lighter note with them covering everything from what makes reality TV great, to whether or not socially distanced dates are feasible. Follow Dani on Instagram at @daniellelauder and Caitlin at @ckny1213 and @wtfsuppod and purchase Act IV before it's off the shelves at https://www.esteelauder.com/makeup/collections/act-iv-by-danielle-lauder.