Bret Weinstein speaks with Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy AM on the subject of mucosal immunology.

Find Dr. Clancy at The University of New Castle Australia: https://www.newcastle.edu.au/profile/robert-clancy

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We begin with the HHS announcement that Covid shots will no longer be recommended to healthy children and pregnant women. What does healthy mean? And what are the conditions that provide release from liability for vaccine makers? Then, a discussion of kinds of immunity, and how vaccines are best delivered depending on how disease is transmitted. We compare what was claimed about the shots (they stop transmission!), and what Pfizer later admitted (that they did not know if the shots stopped transmission—but they had to move at the “speed of science”!). Also, a discussion of how to kill your pathogens by crossing ecological borders…and how to get rid of a botfly with a steak, or with ivermectin. Then: why are young male capuchin monkeys abducting baby howler monkeys on an island off the coast of Panama? Finally: a discussion of transhumanism, our future, our embodied selves, how we live on, what we owe our children, what our beloved dead would make of now, and how we, and the LLMs, could know.

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Kennedy, Bhattacharya and Makary on changing vax recommendations: https://x.com/SecKennedy/status/1927368440811008138

Dr. Lon Jones on mucosal immunity (on DHP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w99CQVaOK0E

Rob Roos forcing truth from Pfizer: https://x.com/Rob_Roos/status/1579759795225198593

Heather on killing your pathogens: https://open.substack.com/pub/naturalselections/p/kill-your-pathogens

Forrest Maready on polio (on DHP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wYUnQUESU

Goldsborough et al 2025. Rise and spread of a social tradition of interspecies abduction. Current Biology 35(10): R375-R376: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(25)00372-0

Bret on transhumanism: https://x.com/BretWeinstein/status/1927043640813138102

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Bret speaks with Dr. Lon Jones, DO on the subject of the mismatch between modern humans and the environment they live in. 

Find Dr. Lon Jones, DO at https://commonsensemedicine.org

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- Common Sense Medicine: Making America Healthy Again by Dr. Lon Jones, DO https://amzn.to/4kd4mka (commission earned)
- No More Allergies, Asthma or Sinus Infections: The Revolutionary Approach by Dr. Lon Jones, DO https://amzn.to/4dKaa2o (commission earned)
- George Williams Paper: Pleiotropy, Natural Selection, and the Evolution of Senescence https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1558-5646.1957.tb02911.x 
- Patient education: Ear infections (otitis media) in children (Beyond the Basics) https://www.uptodate.com/contents/ear-infections-otitis-media-in-children-beyond-the-basics/print 
- Indirect health effects of relative humidity in indoor environments https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1474709/ 
- Turku sugar studies V: Final report on the effect of sucrose, fructose and xylitol diets on the caries incidence in man https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00016357608997711 
- Paul W. Ewald: Evolution of Disease https://amzn.to/4dzIzRj (commission earned)
- Commonsense Medicine: Healing from the Inside Out and Stopping the Next Pandemic https://amzn.to/4kE9kX7 (commission earned)
- How Bacteria Stick https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-bacteria-stick 

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It’s Prostate Week in Podcastistan: what happens when an MRI scan for prostatitis includes the injection of rare earth metals—should you, or shouldn’t you? Gadolinium crosses the blood-brain barrier if the barrier is not fully intact—does that affect your decision? Then: a letter from an MD-PhD student at Harvard prompts musings on the federal funding of science, what science is for, how complicit universities and many scientists have been for years, and what to do. Also: uterine transplants for “trans women.”

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Gadolinium Contrast Dye: https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-drug-safety-communication-fda-warns-gadolinium-based-contrast-agents-gbcas-are-retained-body

Letter from Harvard: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/letter-from-harvard/comments

Higher Education Research & Development Survey: https://ncses.nsf.gov/surveys/higher-education-research-development/2023#data

Jones et al 2018. Uterine transplantation in transgender women. Bjog 126(2): 152-156: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6492192/pdf/BJO-126-152.pdf

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Bret speaks with Michael Malice about the vaccine injured, the importance of continuing to seek answers about what happened during COVID, and the topic of anarchism.

Find Michael Malice on X at https://x.com/michaelmalice

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- Michael Malice Gets His Face Painted by Shaman Jake Chansley https://youtu.be/h804ZRIkLSg?si=RaSERliEcJjXjaYO
- "YOUR WELCOME" with Michael Malice #362 LIVE!: Kurt Metzger https://youtu.be/C5rqvvBmgT0?si=Q81z5o6kdBZLjN-X
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What happens when we commodify nature? The natural world is not doing well, and is not put here to do with as we want. How can we learn to appreciate nature, and environment, without jumping to conclusions about what is happening, or picking sides in an ideological battle that has nothing to do with actual wild nature? Also: how are DOGE cuts affecting scientists? Four people profiled in Science magazine reveal that some good science is being hit with chaos and uncertainty—but also that a lot of “science” funding that has been cut was suspect, at best.

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But They Are Wild - https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/antipode-chapter-22

U.S. scientists’ lives and careers are being upended. Here are five of their stories:https://www.science.org/content/article/u-s-scientists-lives-and-careers-are-being-upended-here-are-five-their-stories

Spread of Valley Fever: https://www.science.org/content/article/climate-change-may-be-driving-spread-deadly-fungus-u-s-southwest

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Is MAHA under threat? If so, what is the nature of the threat? Following the nomination of Casey Means for Surgeon General, MAHA on-line has polarized: is she a Manchurian candidate, or is she what she appears? If she is what she appears, is her lack of focus on vaccine safety cause for concern? What is the value of experience, clinical and otherwise, in developing wisdom? How can MAHA, a movement forged in fire, maintain strength and rigor as the conditions change?

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Nicole Shanahan tweet: https://x.com/nicoleshanahan/status/1920308773979353102

Robert Malone tweet: https://x.com/rwmalonemd/status/1920456273146814663

Robert Malone substack: https://www.malone.news/p/who-is-casey-means-md

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What’s in our medicines? There are active ingredients, and there are excipients, which is everything else. From colorants to emulsifiers to adjuvants, excipients hide many horrors, and it’s not even possible to know which ones are in your meds (or foods). Dairy that has been fortified with vitamins A & D also has seed oils and emulsifiers, but those things aren’t on the label. The government database that should have all the information is full of errors. Polysorbate 80, a common emulsifier in food and drugs, is so complex that it hasn’t been fully characterized, and is known to be cytotoxic generally, including being hemolytic—it breaks apart red blood cells. Meanwhile, Moderna’s Covid “vax” has even more contaminants than previously recognized.

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FDA to ban petroleum-based dyes: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/hhs-fda-phase-out-petroleum-based-synthetic-dyes-nations-food-supply

Milk fortified with seed oils and Polysorbate 80: https://x.com/strong_sistas/status/1906085634357236222

Abrantes et al 2016. An overview of pharmaceutical excipients: safe or not safe? Journal of pharmaceutical sciences, 105(7): 2019-2026: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022354916004470

Betty Pezzimenti on DarkHorse, Nov 26, 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qA0wZD0iPw

Kinsella et al 2024. Inconsistent excipient listings in DailyMed: implications for drug safety. Naunyn-Schmiedeberg's Archives of Pharmacology, 397(9): 6851-6854: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00210-024-03067-x

RFK on Dr. Phil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZofNzZ8UoPk

On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee: https://amzn.to/3EFZBAj (commission earned)

Sun et al 2017. Component-based biocompatibility and safety evaluation of polysorbate 80. RSC advances, 7(25): 15127-15138: https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlepdf/2017/ra/c6ra27242h

More contaminants in the Moderna vaccine: https://x.com/kevin_mckernan/status/1917252562442506303

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The middle ground scramble continues. Elites redefine their positions as if they had it right all along, and explain why they definitely need to be in charge of more stuff. We have been waiting for the reckoning; instead we are getting the anti-reckoning. Herein: how science isn’t done, why the scientific method is for everyone, and evidence that most who consider themselves elite don’t understand science. Also: the UK is moving forward with plans to dim the sun, because apparently we learned nothing from Covid, and informed consent is optional.

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Our elites don’t deserve this much hatred: https://www.thefp.com/p/elites-dont-deserve-hatred

Anti-effectiveness of mRNA shots: https://x.com/JBSay/status/1915059350407676294

Experiments to dim the Sun will be approved within weeks: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/22/experiments-to-dim-the-sun-get-green-light/

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This week in women: the UK Supreme Court declares that transwomen are not women, and women are lauded for putting on matching jumpsuits and being launched into space for a minute. In Britain, rapists can no longer pretend to be women; in the United States, we are asked to celebrate one of the oldest plays in the book—attractive woman attaches herself to wealthy man and attains power—and pretend that it represents female empowerment, while conveniently forgetting actually skilled women who have come before. Also: a hostage situation in Podcastistan: in which we explore the strange about-face of some prominent free speech warriors. Finally: the amazing institution that is Ralston College, whose themes are truth, freedom of inquiry, beauty, and fellowship.

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How women won the gender wars, by Kathleen Stock: https://unherd.com/2025/04/how-women-won-the-gender-wars/

Rapists aren’t women in the UK: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/18/trans-rapists-can-no-longer-claim-to-be-women/

Federal contracts to SpaceX, ULA & Blue Origin: https://spacenews.com/spacex-ula-blue-origin-win-13-5-billion-in-u-s-military-launch-contracts-through-2029/

Best shot at space for Amanda Nguyen: https://www.thecut.com/article/amanda-nguyen-blue-origin-space-flight-controversy.html

MIT research team: https://www.media.mit.edu/posts/amanda-nguyen-carries-mit-research-projects-into-orbit/

Former NASA engineer Aisha Bowe, in Ebony: https://www.ebony.com/black-women-technology-nasa/

Douglas Murray in the New York Post: https://nypost.com/2025/04/17/opinion/douglas-murray-so-called-israel-hamas-ukraine-war-experts-spew-false-info-on-joe-rogans-podcast-there-has-to-be-a-standard/

Ralston College: https://www.ralston.ac

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