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  • AI Moves Fast. Privacy Has to Move Faster.

    AI promises speed, scale, and efficiency—but it also magnifies privacy risk in ways many organizations aren’t prepared for. In this episode, Caleb Tolin welcomes Ojas Rege of OneTrust for a practical, wide-ranging conversation on how data privacy and governance must evolve alongside enterprise AI adoption.

    Ojas explains why AI fundamentally changes the privacy conversation: the same systems that enable organizations to move faster can also cause harm faster when guardrails aren’t in place. From agentic AI systems that dynamically repurpose data to general-purpose models that blur traditional notions of “intended use,” the challenge isn’t just compliance—it’s trust.

    The discussion dives deep into purpose limitation under GDPR and the EU AI Act, clarifying where organizations commonly misunderstand consent and where AI training introduces entirely new risks. Ojas emphasizes a simple but powerful test: are you using personal data for the same purpose you originally received consent for—or has AI quietly expanded that purpose?

    The conversation then shifts to cloud and data sovereignty, particularly for European organizations navigating geopolitical uncertainty. Ojas outlines why data mapping, prioritization, and software supply chain visibility matter more than ever—and why perfection is less realistic than smart prioritization.

    Ultimately, this episode reframes governance as an enabler. When privacy and data governance are embedded early, organizations can innovate faster, build lasting trust, and deploy AI with confidence in an increasingly complex global environment.


    What You’ll Learn

    • Why AI scales privacy risk just as fast as business value

    • How purpose limitation breaks down with general-purpose AI models

    • When AI use requires new consent—and when it doesn’t

    • Why transparency is foundational to long-term customer trust

    • How data sovereignty concerns extend beyond cloud providers

    • Where software supply chains create hidden privacy blind spots

    • How good governance can accelerate, not block, AI deployment


      Episode Highlights

    • [00:02:00] AI Scales the Good—and the Bad How AI accelerates both innovation and privacy harm.

    • [00:04:00] Purpose Limitation Meets AI Reality Why general-purpose models challenge traditional consent frameworks.

    • [00:06:30] Trust as a Business Risk Why transparency matters as much as legal compliance.

    • [00:07:30] Cloud & Data Sovereignty Explained What European organizations can do today to reduce risk.

    • [00:10:30] The Software Supply Chain Blind Spot Why third parties make sovereignty harder in the AI era.

    • [00:12:30] Data as Economic Power How nations now view citizen data as an AI asset.

      [00:14:00] Governance That Enables Speed Why governing early helps organizations move faster later.

      26 min
    • The Real Risks of Agentic AI in the Enterprise

      As enterprises race to adopt AI, many are discovering that traditional security models no longer hold. In this episode of Data Security Decoded, host Caleb Tolin is joined by Camille Stewart-Gloster, CEO of CAS Strategies and former Deputy National Cyber Director, to unpack how AI is redefining cyber risk at every layer of the organization.

      Camille explains why identity-based attacks are so effective and how non-human identities (from APIs to AI agents) are quietly expanding the attack surface. She emphasized how critical MFA is for organizations to enable as they scale up AI operations., and why conditional access and governance must be foundational, not optional.

      The conversation also tackles ethical AI head-on. Camille argues that AI ethics and AI security are inseparable, and that removing humans from the loop introduces both legal and operational risk. From shadow AI to agent autonomy, she offers a clear-eyed framework for deploying AI systems that augment human teams rather than replace them.

      This episode is a practical guide for security leaders and learners navigating AI adoption, focused on resilience, trust, and long-term enterprise readiness.


      What You’ll Learn

      • Why identity has become the dominant attack surface

      • How AI agents and non-human identities increase risk

      • Where EDR falls short in Identity-driven attacks

      • Why AI ethics is foundational to AI security

      • How governance enables secure AI deployment

      • When AI should augment—not replace—security teams


        Episode Highlights

        [00:03:00] Cyber offense and the evolving national strategy

        [00:07:30] Identity eclipses malware as the primary threat

        [00:10:00] AI systems as high-value targets

        [00:12:30] Human judgment vs. automated response

        [00:14:00] The ethics–security connection

        [00:15:30] Why AI governance can’t be an afterthought

        28 min
      • When Hacktivists Target Water Utilities: Inside a Russian-Aligned OT Attack

        Russian-aligned hacktivist groups are increasingly targeting industrial control systems and OT environments—and sometimes it’s shockingly easy. In this episode, Daniel dos Santos, VP of Research at Forescout, walks through how his team used a honeypot to observe an attack against a simulated water treatment facility. We explore attacker motivations, common entry points, and what defenders must prioritize now.


        What You’ll Learn

        • How honeypots can uncover real-world hacktivist tactics and behaviors

        • Why exposed HMIs remain one of the weakest entry points in OT environments

        • How Telegram has become a primary platform for hacktivist attack claims

        • The evolving motivations behind Russian-aligned hacktivist groups

        • Why visibility across all networked devices is critical to defense

        • How opportunistic attacks differ from targeted nation-state operations

        • Practical steps to avoid becoming “easy prey” for attackers


          Episode Highlights

          00:02:30 – How the Attack Was Discovered Spotting the honeypot activity through Telegram claims
          00:04:00 – The Entry Point Explained Default credentials and exposed HMIs
          00:06:45 – Hacktivist Motivation Shift From activism to geopolitics and profit
          00:10:50 – Why OT Attacks Are Hard to Eradicate Hidden devices and lateral movement

          00:14:20 – The Core Defensive Takeaway Don’t ignore opportunistic threats


          Episode Resources

          Forescout Research Reports
          Telegram (hacktivist communications platform)
          Canadian Government OT Security Alert

          Shodan (internet-exposed asset scanning tool)

          20 min
        • How Rubrik Zero Labs Uses LLMs to Analyze Malware at Machine Speed

          AI is changing how malware is built—and how it’s caught. In this episode, Caleb Tolin is joined by Amit Malik, Staff Security Researcher at Rubrik Zero Labs, to unpack how large language models are transforming malware analysis, enabling defenders to sift through thousands of samples and surface truly novel threats. From Chameleon malware abusing WSL to AI-generated attack code, this conversation explores what real data resilience looks like in an AI-driven threat landscape.


          What You’ll Learn

        • How LLMs help analysts move from syntax-level review to intent-based malware analysis

        • Why processing thousands of samples daily requires AI-assisted triage and clustering

        • How attackers are abusing WSL and cloud-native environments to evade detection

          What AI-generated, dynamically delivered malware code means for traditional defenses

        • Where LLMs excel—and where human validation remains essential

          Why resilience matters more than speed in AI-driven security operations


          Episode Highlights


          [00:00] AI-generated malware and shrinking attacker footprints

          [03:30] Why Rubrik Zero Labs built an LLM-driven malware analysis system

          [05:45] Scaling from 6,000 samples to 20 worth investigating
          [07:40] Extracting malware “business logic” before sending code to LLMs

          [10:05] Chameleon malware abusing Windows Subsystem for Linux

          [13:00] APT-linked Linux RATs and what sophistication signals intent

          [15:00] LLM hallucinations and the need for human verification


          Episode Resources

          • Rubrik Zero Labs Research Reports

            25 min
          • Ransomware, Remote Access, and the OT Reality Check

            In this episode of Data Security Decoded, Cybersecurity veteran Dawn Cappelli joins host Caleb Tolin to unpack the rapidly evolving threat landscape facing operational technology environments. With decades of experience spanning CERT, Rockwell Automation, and now Dragos, Dawn breaks down how geopolitical conflicts, empowered hacktivists, and ransomware are reshaping OT risk. She shares the five critical ICS controls every organization should prioritize and discusses why community-driven defense models are now essential for resilience. A must-listen for leaders responsible for critical infrastructure, manufacturing, and industrial cybersecurity.


            What you'll learn:

            • How global conflicts have dissolved previous norms that protected critical infrastructure from cyber retaliation.
            • Why hacktivist groups are becoming more dangerous — and how state actors quietly support them.
            • The five highest-impact ICS security controls and where most organizations fail.
            • Why OT environments remain decades behind IT security — and what leaders must immediately address.
            • How ransomware operators target manufacturing and critical infrastructure for maximum leverage.
            • The risks of insecure remote access and unmanaged third-party connections.
            • How OT-CERT and community defense can uplift organizations with limited resources.
            • Episode Highlights:

              00:00 – Opening + Guest Introduction Caleb introduces Dawn and frames her decades of OT and insider threat leadership.

              02:00 – Dawn’s Early Journey into OT and Security How nuclear engineering, the CDC bioterrorism portal, and 9/11 sparked her cybersecurity mission.

              05:00 – Founding the CERT Insider Threat Center Inside the origin story and its impact on insider risk theory.

              07:00 – Moving to Rockwell: The Hidden OT Backdoor Risk Why insider sabotage in OT environments was a turning point in her career.

              08:00 – The Geopolitical Shift in OT Threats How Russia–Ukraine changed everything about attacking critical infrastructure.

              10:00 – The Rise of State-Aligned Hacktivists Why groups like Cyber Avengers now have real disruption capability.

              13:00 – The SANS Five ICS Controls Dawn breaks down the controls that prevent and detect most attacks.

              17:00 – Ransomware Trends in OT Why manufacturing is a prime target and how attacks are evolving.

              19:00 – The Promise and Peril of Agentic AI in OT Why autonomous agents could cause catastrophic outcomes.

              21:00 – OT-CERT: Free Global Resources How Dragos is empowering organizations worldwide with practical support.


              Episode Resources:

              • Information on OT-CERT: OT-CERT
              • Register for OT-CERT: Register for Dragos OT-CERT | Dragos
              • Information on Community Defense Program: Community Defense Program | Dragos
              • Register for Community Defense Program: Register for Dragos Community Defense Program | Dragos
              • SANS Five ICS Cybersecurity Critical Controls: The Five ICS Cybersecurity Critical Controls
              • 28 min
              • The Hidden Risk in Your Stack

                In this episode of Data Security Decoded, host Caleb Tolin sits down with Hayden Smith, CEO of Hunted Labs, as he breaks down how software supply chain attacks really work, why open source dependencies create unseen exposure, and what modern threat actors are doing to exploit trust at scale. Caleb and Hayden dive deep into real-world attacks, emerging TTPs, AI-powered threat hunting, and what organizations must do today to keep pace. Listeners walk away with a clear picture of the problem—and a practical blueprint for reducing supply chain risk.


                What You’ll Learn 

                • How modern attackers infiltrate open source ecosystems through fake accounts and counterfeit package contributions.

                • Why dependency chains dramatically amplify both exposure and attacker leverage.

                • How to use threat intelligence and threat hunting to proactively evaluate upstream packages before adoption.

                • Where AI-powered code analysis is changing the ability to discover hidden vulnerabilities and suspicious patterns.

                • Why dependency pinning, SBOM discipline, and continuous monitoring now define a strong supply chain posture.


                  Episode Highlights

                  00:00 — Welcome + Why Software Supply Chain Risk Matters

                  02:00 — Hayden’s Non-Cyber Passion + Framing Today’s Topic

                  03:00 — Why Open Source Powers Everything—and Why That Creates Exposure

                  06:00 — The Real Attack Vector: Contribution as Initial Access

                  08:00 — Inside the Indonesian “Fake Package” Campaign

                  10:30 — How to Evaluate Code + Contributor Identity Together

                  12:00 — Threat Hunting and AI-Enabled Code Interrogation

                  15:00 — The Challenge of Undisclosed Vulnerabilities in Widely Used Components

                  16:30 — How Recovery Works When Malware Is Already in Your Stack

                  19:00 — Continuous Monitoring as the Foundation of Modern Supply Chain Security

                  22:00 — Pinning, Maintainer Analysis, and Code Interrogation Best Practices

                  24:00 — Where to Learn More About Hunted Labs


                  Episode Resources

                  • Hunted Labs — https://huntedlabs.com

                  • Hunted Labs Entercept

                  • Hunted Labs “Hunting Ground” research blog

                  • Open Source Malware (Paul McCarty)

                    28 min
                  • Top CISO Priorities and Global Digital Trust with Morgan Adamski

                    Welcome to Data Security Decoded. Join host Caleb Tolin in conversation with Morgan Adamski who leads Cyber, Data, and Tech Risk at PwC and is a former US national security leader who spent 16 years tracking nation-state threats inside the US government. Coming out of a career spent inside secure facilities without windows or phones and working to address China’s prepositioning in US critical infrastructure, Morgan shares a direct view of how geopolitics is now shaping cyber risk decisions in boardrooms.

                    What You'll Learn:

                    • Why only 24% invest in proactive defense, even while 60% call cyber a top priority

                    • How AI agents are cutting breach timelines to under 80 days

                    • Why cyber insurance is now a hygiene scorecard, not just financial protection

                    • The real reason leaders lack confidence in resilience

                    • Where legacy systems and supply chain dependencies expose blind spots

                    • How public–private collaboration changed the response to China’s infrastructure campaign

                    • What CISOs must confront now to avoid being blindsided by the next crisis

                      The conversation gives security leaders and decision-makers a clear view of where current strategies fall short and the choices required to build real resilience before the next crisis forces it.

                      Episode Highlights:

                      [03:43] Why China prepositions inside US critical infrastructure to trigger disruption and panic in a crisis

                      [04:20] Collective defense in action: how victims and industry exposed the campaign

                      [09:27] The truth behind cyber budgets: only 24% invest in proactive defense

                      [11:57] How AI agents are shortening breach lifecycles to under 80 days

                      [13:07] Why cyber insurance is now a security scorecard, not a safety net


                      Episode Resources

                      • Caleb Tolin on LinkedIn

                      • Morgan Adamski on LinkedIn

                        PwC’s 2026 Global Digital Trust Insights report

                        24 min
                      • Agentic AI and Identity Sprawl

                        In this episode of Data Security Decoded, join host Caleb Tolin as he welcomes back Joe Hladik, Head of Rubrik Zero Labs, to unpack the findings from their new report, Identity Crisis: Understanding & Building Resilience Against Identity-Driven Threats, Joe breaks down how the explosion of non-human identities, from API keys to AI agents, is rewriting the threat landscape and forcing security leaders to rethink the perimeter itself.

                        He explains why identity resilience is the new foundation of cyber defense, how to prioritize recovery when every system matters, and what steps teams can take now to stay ahead of emerging agentic AI-driven attacks.


                        What You'll Learn:

                        • Why identity has replaced the network as the modern security perimeter

                        • How non-human identities outnumber humans 82 to 1, and what that means for control and monitoring

                        • Practical steps to build recovery plans around dependency mapping and minimal viable operations

                        • Why ransom payments remain high and how better resilience planning can reverse that trend

                        • How threat actors exploit backup systems to gain total business leverage

                        • What agentic AI really means for cyber defense and how to prepare for its impact

                          The episode offers a clear framework for leaders to transform identity resilience from a reactive measure into a proactive pillar of enterprise security.

                          Episode Highlights:

                          [05:13] The 82:1 Ratio: Why Non-Human Identities Now Define Risk

                          [07:03] Prioritizing Recovery: Building for Minimal Viable Operations

                          [10:53] Declining Recovery Confidence and the Rise of Ransom Payments

                          [15:46] Backups Under Attack: How Threat Actors Seize Business Control

                          [16:32] Agentic AI and the Shifting Nature of Cyber Threats

                          [25:32] What Defenders Can Do Now to Build Identity Resilience


                          Episode Resources

                          Caleb Tolin on LinkedIn

                          Joe Hladik on LinkedIn

                          Rubrik Zero Labs report, Identity Crisis: Understanding & Building Resilience Against Identity-Driven Threats

                          25 min
                        • Secure by Design, Secure by Default, Secure by Demand

                          Welcome to Data Security Decoded. Join host Caleb Tolin in conversation with Lauren Zabierek, Senior Vice President for the Future of Digital Security at the Institute for Security and Technology. A former CISA leader and long-time national security professional, Lauren unpacks the principles of Secure by Design, Secure by Default, and Secure by Demand and how these frameworks are reshaping the software supply chain.

                          What You'll Learn:

                          • Why security must be a business decision led by executives rather than a technical afterthought

                          • How Secure by Design principles inspired more than 300 companies to eliminate entire classes of vulnerabilities

                          • The economic incentives that drive insecure software and what must change to realign the market

                          • How customers can evaluate vendors and ask the right questions to ensure secure authentication and transparent practices

                          • The role of Secure by Demand in helping buyers assess software safety before and after adoption

                          • Why initiatives like #ShareTheMicInCyber are essential for expanding diversity and innovation across cybersecurity policy

                            The conversation offers a practical roadmap for executives, CISOs, and technology leaders to integrate secure development practices into business strategy, turning software security from a compliance checkbox into a competitive advantage.

                            Episode Highlights:

                            [08:46] Inside CISA’s Secure by Design Pledge

                            [09:41] The Three Pillars: Secure by Design, Default, and Demand

                            [11:59] Why Security Is an Economic Issue, Not Just Technical

                            [15:41] How Customers Can Drive Change Through Secure by Demand

                            [18:23] The Story and Impact of #ShareTheMicInCyber


                            Quotes:

                            • "Security has to be a business decision led by business leaders in the company. It should not be an afterthought. It shouldn't just be left to the security team to sort of try to convince the rest of the company that they should do this. It's the company leadership that should say, this is a priority and therefore orient the different resources and priorities around that particular topic."

                              • "Having more secure software is not a technical impossibility. The companies right now are acting rationally in a misaligned market. Secure by Design, at its core, is about shifting those incentives in order to drive a change in behavior."

                                • "Software is what economists would refer to as a credence good. It's very hard to assess the quality of a product or a service both before you consume it and after you consume it. We don't have the criteria or benchmarks to fully assess that, and that’s a problem."

                                • "We looked at really how to provide guidance, and then we also created the Secure by Design pledge. And at the time when we launched it in 2024 at RSA, we had 68 software companies sign on… And then by the time we left, we had over 300 companies sign on. Now this pledge, you know, it addressed certain things like eliminating entire classes of vulnerability. It talked about enabling multifactor authentication by default across product lines. It talked about a vulnerability disclosure policy. Those are just a few things, but you can see that they're very concrete, measurable actions that lead to better outcomes."


                                  Episode Resources

                                • Caleb Tolin on LinkedIn

                                • Lauren Zabierek on LinkedIn

                                • Institute for Security and Technology (IST)

                                • Secure by Demand Guide from CISA


                                  27 min
                                • Three Threats Reshaping Financial Services: Identity, Supply Chain, and AI

                                  Cyber resilience in financial services is often treated as a checklist of tools and controls, rather than what it truly is: a system of people, intelligence, and collaboration working together.

                                  In this episode of ⁠Data Security Decoded⁠, join ⁠Caleb Tolin⁠ as he sits down with ⁠Troy Wells⁠, Intelligence Officer at FS-ISAC and former U.S. Army intelligence officer, to explore how principles like teamwork, trust, and preparation, forged in national security, translate directly into protecting the global financial system. From using fire-safety lessons to explain prevention, detection, and response, to breaking down the difference between AI models and AI agents, Troy shares practical guidance for banks and financial institutions building resilience in the face of evolving threats.

                                  What You’ll Learn:

                                  • Why prevention, detection, and response are strongest when treated as a cycle, not silos
                                  • How AI models act as “calculators” while AI agents act as “interns,” and what oversight each requires
                                  • The guardrails that financial institutions should set before deploying AI tools at scale
                                  • How cloud misconfigurations in even major enterprises reveal the need for security-first design
                                  • The three threat trends that will shape financial services in the next 12–24 months: identity attacks, supply chain compromises, and AI-enabled adversaries
                                  • Episode Highlights:

                                    [00:22] Troy’s path from Army intelligence officer to FS-ISAC[03:20] Fire-safety lessons: framing prevention, detection, and response in cybersecurity[08:15] The difference between AI models and AI agents, and how to guide each[12:22] Four principles for adopting AI securely in financial institutions[17:00] Cloud misconfigurations and why resilience must be built into architecture[21:39] The top three threats to watch in the next 12–24 months: identity, supply chain, and AI-driven attacks[27:35] Why speed and sophistication make resilience and collaboration essential

                                    Episode Resources:

                                    • Caleb Tolin on LinkedIn
                                    • Troy Wells on LinkedIn
                                    • 28 min

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