On this week’s Better By Next Week podcast 🎙️ Tim and Ollie welcome two absolute weapons of Australian ultra running, Joel Sexton and Dave “Gatty” Gatt, into the greenhouse 🌱Joel burst onto the scene fast, going from 24-hour events to representing Australia in Backyard Ultras, while Gatty has become known for draining the well at brutal mountain races and delivering legendary King of the Hill performances ⛰️🔥

We rewind to where it all started, unpacking what first drew them to the suffering of ultras and how running reshaped their lives, identities, and perspectives.

From KOTH heroics and BYU chaos to near-DNFs, fear, doubt, stubbornness, and those mid-race “what am I doing” moments 😅This episode digs deep into the mental game. How to race when quitting feels close, how to stay present through long nights, rebuild confidence after bad races, and define success beyond podiums.

They also share practical gold for listeners, from underrated training elements to managing boredom, anxiety, and life balance.

Raw, honest, funny, and packed with lessons earned the hard way, this one’s for anyone chasing limits and learning what it really means to keep showing up. 💪🏽🔥