Jeff was joined by former Secretary of the Department of Interior David Bernhardt. They discuss his background working for the Department of Interior in the Bush and Trump administrations, the challenges of federal lands in western states, how former President Donald Trump asked him to lead the Department of Interior, how the government shutdown of in 2019 impacted his job, the time he was made designated survivor during the State of the Union, and how civil servants sometimes undermine the agenda of the president.