In this episode, Jake sits down with David Piersaul. This episode starts unfiltered and turns into one of the realest conversations we’ve had. From how we met to navigating faith, friendship, and creativity, we get into what it actually means to show up for people—and for your work—without faking it.

We talk about the difference between empathy and “out-struggling,” why most people settle for good enough, and how the small details in life (and art) actually matter more than anyone realizes. This is about doing things right, staying honest with yourself, and not mailing it in when it counts.

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