In a novel, the words on the page are our entrance into another’s mind. But sometimes it’s the space between the lines that define a character.

In David Szalay’s 2025 Booker Prize–winning Flesh, István is caught between the boundaries of Hungary and England, his teenage years and adulthood, his body and sense of self and desire and indifference. With spare, propulsive prose, David paints an intimate portrait of a man slowly unravelling as he asks profound questions about the strangeness of being.

Hear David trace the evolution of his singular novel and its protagonist, in conversation with Michelle de Kretser.

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