October is a natural month for stories, particularly ones of a certain category—ones about the supernatural, bizarre events, terrors of various kinds, not always from monsters. My guest today is Gene O’Neill, a novelist and short-story mixed-genre writer who has twice won the Bram Stoker Award for best horror/dark fiction. Our topics include why people read dark fiction, the different genres, psychological vs. supernatural horror, Shirley Jackson’s classic The Haunting of Hill House, new writers he recommends, his book The Burden of Indigo, his upcoming project The White Plague Chronicles, and the new movie Joker.