This podcast excerpt discusses an interview with Ukrainian journalist Diana Panchenko, who offers a dissenting perspective on the Ukraine conflict. Panchenko claims that President Zelenskyy's popularity is surprisingly low, attributing this to war fatigue and a belief that Ukraine lacks genuine agency in the conflict, being manipulated by both the US and Russia. She alleges significant corruption within Zelenskyy's government and misuse of Western aid. Furthermore, Panchenko suggests a surprising path towards peace, emphasising shared faith and culture between Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians as a basis for reconciliation, despite acknowledging the significant challenges. Finally, she highlights the role of religion, suggesting that efforts to undermine the Ukrainian Orthodox Church are attempts to weaken ties with Russia.