"Complexity is the biggest enemy of security."

Janne Uusilehto, a veteran who has led security and privacy engineering at Nokia, Microsoft, and Google, joins the podcast to peel back the curtain on the hidden world of cybersecurity standards.

He reveals why industry rivals, like the original mobile phone giants, agreed to rules that ultimately generated massive passive income to intellectual property owners, and how this collaboration actually accelerates innovation.

We discuss the emerging threats that keep security leaders up at night, including AI-driven polymorphic attacks and the risks hidden in the code supply chain. Finally, Uusilehto offers his candid take on geopolitics and tech policy, arguing that over-regulation in places like the EU risks stifling necessary innovation.

Tune in to understand why investing in people is more critical than investing in tools, and how the rules you never see are securing the digital world you live in.

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In this episode of Deep Pockets, Petra sits down with Chris McClean, Global Lead for Digital Ethics at Avanade, to explore the delicate balance between trust, power, and technology. Chris unpacks his research on the risks and benefits of trusting relationships, and the moral obligations that come with endorsing others. The conversation ranges from the global “grievance” mood captured by the Edelman Trust Barometer to the complexities of AI governance and responsible tech. Chris shares why organizational culture is key to ethical AI, how incentives shape behavior, and why trust isn’t always the goal; sometimes warranted distrust is healthier. It’s a thoughtful deep dive into ethics, responsibility, and hope for a more accountable digital future.

Find Chris on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-mcclean/

Find the Edelman Trust barometer 2025 https://www.edelman.com/trust/2025/trust-barometer

Podcast homepage https://petrasoderling.com/podcast

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What does it mean to be truly creative in an age of AI? Inspired by the Robert and Michele Root-Bernstein's book 'Sparks of Genius - the 13 thinking tools of the world's most creative people', this episode explores the artistry of interdisciplinary thinking with Jesús Sánchez Herrero. From abstraction and modeling to analogizing and empathizing, we delve into the 13 tools that polymaths use to blend science and art—and ask what makes human imagination so uniquely powerful.

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What does it mean to belong in complex and cutting-edge tech fields? In this episode, we sit down with Juliette De La Rie, CEO of Colorful Matter, to explore how identity, intuition, and inclusion shape the future of deep tech. Juliette shares her personal journey from feeling like an outsider in tech to becoming a powerful advocate for culture-driven innovation. We talk about bridging the gap between hard science and human needs, building community in emerging industries, and why belonging is more than a buzzword—it’s a blueprint for better technology.Also ... hear what happened when I took the unconscious bias test. 

Juliette de la Rie https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliettedelarie/

Colorful Matter https://www.colorfulmatter.eu/

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We’ve spoken about the energy industry a few times in this podcast, most recently about innovation in our current nuclear energy power plants. These are the fission based plants. Today, we’re going to learn about the future of nuclear, that is the fusion based nuclear power plants. 

My guest is Laura Thomas, Chief Strategy Officer at Fuse, a fusion energy company building toward a clean and near-limitless energy source. 

About Fuse https://www.f.energy/

Laura Thomas https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-thomas123/

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In his book The Rise of the Creative Class, Richard Florida argues that creativity is the nourishment of new economic growth, and introduces the three T's; Technology as a platform, talent to do the creative process, and tolerance from the surrounding society to allow this talent to shine. 

My guest Ceridwen 'Ceri' Koski, Partner at Denver, CO based law firm WR Immigration lays out the strategies and practical steps for U.S. companies to make the most of creative international talent. 

Resources:

Ceri Koski LinkedIn posts https://www.linkedin.com/in/ceridwenkoski/

WR Immigration https://wolfsdorf.com/

Richard Florida https://creativeclass.com/richard_florida/

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It's March 2025. The U.S. administration is turning on its allies south, north and east, the EU is amplifying its defense capabilities, Ukraine is being let down, science is under attack, and tech bros keep demand more and more. I'm taking Deep Pockets closer to policy, as now is not the time to be silent. Season 5 will discuss innovation policy in the U.S. and Europe. I will invite guests who bring forward thoughts and ideas on how to build our future on the right side of history. 

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Tanya Ramond, technology commercialization architect, authority in Deep Tech, and the founder and CEO of Sapienne Consulting, discusses her recent article on science and engineering policy. Why the adoption of technology, turning R&D into usable products and services, should be the key metric when writing and evaluating policy?

Published by Dynamic Tech Media, the article can be found here Tech Adoption in American Policy | Dynamic Tech Media

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Both the United States and the European Union held their big elections this year. The U.S. elected a new President, and changed the balance of power in the House and the Senate that govern 335 million Americans. The EU elected a new Parliament and is in the process of appointing new Commissioners, steering the future for 450 million Europeans. 

What does this mean in DeepTech? How will this impact Industrial Policy, and the Transatlantic relations? 

Milja Kalliosaari, Government Relations Manager at IQM Quantum Computers, and Finland's delegate to NATO's Transatlantic Quantum Community shares her insight. 

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It’s clear we cannot keep using fossil fuels, and it’s clear that wind and solar alone can’t fulfill all of the increasing energy needs that we have. So something has to be done: We need Innovation. Today's  guest is someone who knows everything about nuclear energy, innovation, and their economic impact. 

Emma Wong is Principal Leader in Nuclear Engagement, Strategy, and Innovation at the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI). She just finished her secondment as the Senior Nuclear Technology and Innovation Advisor to the OECD’s Nuclear Energy Agency in the Division of Nuclear technology Development and Economics.

What does innovation in nuclear energy look like in 2024?

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