What if our best tools weren’t built to sell ads, but to save lives? We sit down with hacker, inventor, and futurist Pablos Holman to chart a pragmatic path for deep tech—one where cryptography protects freedom online, AI helps eradicate disease, and automation buys back human time for higher purpose.

Pablos takes us behind the curtain of the 90s cypherpunk movement to clarify why decentralized money mattered in the first place: not speculation, but liberty. He connects the dots from BitTorrent to Bitcoin and onward to a web where payments, compute, and messaging escape walled gardens. Then we pivot to the work that rarely makes headlines: AI-driven models that simulate outbreaks, optimize vaccine campaigns, and help countries cut off polio and malaria at the source. Think SimCity for public health, with millions of lives at stake—and real wins already logged.

We also challenge the myths around work and meaning. As robots absorb dangerous and dull jobs, more free time is coming, and it won’t fulfill us by default. Pablos argues for choosing bigger problems over shallow distractions, from clean energy to next-gen manufacturing and sanitation. His simplest, most actionable idea might be the most powerful: pick one kid and mentor them consistently. If we care about education, let’s deliver the one-to-one attention schools struggle to provide and help curiosity compound.

If you’re hungry for technology that matters—decentralization that expands freedom, AI that heals, and engineering that lifts the basics for billions—this conversation is your blueprint. Grab Pablos’s book Deep Future on Amazon or Audible, then share this episode with a builder who needs the nudge. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what problem will you aim your tools at next?

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