Bradley Duke, Head of Europe at Bitwise, on Bitcoin's late cycle, crypto ETPs and his year-end price call.

Bradley Duke brought one of Europe's first Bitcoin ETPs, BTCE, to market in 2020, then as co-founder of ETC Group (acquired by Bitwise in 2024). With Sascha Roehrer he explains why institutional investors are treating this bear market differently than 2022, how Bitwise decides which products to launch, and why he sees real-world asset tokenization as inevitable. Further topics: the quantum risk to Bitcoin and the debate over lost Satoshi wallets, Strategy's roughly 817,000 BTC as a market risk, MiCA and the case for a European stablecoin, his skepticism toward a euro CBDC, and the role of AI agents in the next wave of adoption. He closes with a concrete price call for year-end.

• 00:00:00 Intro
• 00:00:54 The first Bitcoin ETP in 2020 and the doubts
• 00:02:04 From ETC Group to the 2024 Bitwise acquisition
• 00:03:50 Clients: from retail to sovereign wealth
• 00:05:18 AUM and the crypto cycle
• 00:06:42 Different this time? Institutions in the bear market
• 00:08:58 What is an ETP — and why not self-custody?
• 00:12:48 Germany's tax regime
• 00:14:36 Choosing products: BHYPE, Canton, DA20
• 00:15:41 From speculation to the application layer
• 00:18:16 Bitcoin dominance, stablecoins & Hyperliquid
• 00:21:13 Real-world asset tokenization
• 00:27:07 Quantum risk and lost Satoshi wallets
• 00:33:21 Strategy, Saylor and the 817,000 BTC
• 00:37:12 Where are we in the cycle?
• 00:39:01 Bitcoin, equities and the AI vacuum
• 00:42:00 Duke's path from TradFi to crypto
• 00:45:15 MiCA and global regulation
• 00:50:11 Does Europe need its own stablecoin?
• 00:51:58 Privatized money: mini central banks?
• 00:54:08 CBDC skepticism and the digital euro
• 00:56:25 AI agents, X402 and agentic commerce
• 01:00:06 Wildest prediction for the next 20 years
• 01:02:36 Bitcoin price call for year-end

Guest:
Bradley Duke is Managing Director and Head of Europe at Bitwise. Previously co-founder of ETC Group (2019), whose Bitcoin product BTCE became the largest and most heavily traded crypto ETP in Europe; after the Bitwise acquisition in August 2024 he joined the executive team to lead the European expansion. Before that: investment bank Jefferies (New York, Paris, London), head of Knight Direct Europe at KCG, co-founder of fintech and payments company Zapper, and CEO of the UK arm of BCS Global Markets.

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradley-duke/
Website: https://bitwiseinvestments.eu/

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Stefania Ferrero, Comau's CMO, on robotics for the AI-driven data-center boom and the trillion behind it.
Where does automation actually make money as AI drives a roughly $1 trillion data-center buildout? Stefania Ferrero, Chief Marketing & Solutions Portfolio Officer at Comau, explains why battery storage, fenceless outdoor robots, and application engineering decide who wins. Her counterpoint to the hype: even with robots building robots, the human factor stays the real edge. For decision-makers: concrete demand signals from control systems to inspection to balance of plant, and where Comau is scaling now.

Guest:
Stefania Ferrero is Chief Marketing & Solutions Portfolio Officer at Comau, the Italian industrial automation and robotics group, a role she has held since 2023. A certified engineer with a Master's in Management Engineering from the Polytechnic University of Turin, she brings close to 20 years across strategy, marketing, and business development in multiple industries. Before returning to Comau she was Head of Strategy and Strategic Marketing at Baker Hughes, shaping the long-range plan of its Industrial Energy Technology unit across gas, digital, and clean technologies; earlier roles include Pininfarina and Comau's Powertrain business. She sits on the board of Automha and on Comau's DEI Committee, and speaks six languages.

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefania-ferrero-5a6a541/
Website: https://www.comau.com/en/

deeptech Insights:
Deeptech Insights is a long-form interview series for people who think about frontier technology and the future for a living. Host Sascha Roehrer sits down with executives, investors, researchers, and the people shaping what comes next. Produced by Börsenmedien AG, Germany's leading financial media house (DER AKTIONÄR, BÖRSE ONLINE, €uro, €uro am Sonntag).

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