On today's episode, Mitchell talks to Deesha Philyaw about her National Book Award nominated collection, The Secret Lives of Church Ladies, publishing a book during a pandemic and writing about dissatisfied women.

Deesha Philyaw's writing on race, parenting, gender, and culture has appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, McSweeney's, the Rumpus, Brevity, TueNight, and elsewhere. Originally from Jacksonville, Florida, she currently lives in Pittsburgh with her daughters.

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