Public credit is already one of the most efficient, accessible markets in the world. Jake Lynch, investment researcher at L1 Digital, argues that putting government bonds onchain doesn't make them better — it just gives people new collateral to lever up against. Private credit is where the real opportunity is: fragmented, inaccessible to most investors, and exactly the kind of market blockchain can fix. In this episode he also walks through how DeFi builds credit markets from scratch — and why lending is the heart of any functioning economy.

Lucas Vogelsang of Centrifuge, Greg Genega of KPMG, and Chuck Mounts of S&P Global discuss the future of private credit on-chain.

In 2023, most DAO treasuries were sitting on volatile governance tokens with no yield strategy and no risk framework. Facu Peláez, Business Development Manager at karpatkey, was already building the infrastructure to fix that — non-custodial treasury management, 32-parameter risk monitoring, and emergency protocols for when things go wrong onchain. In this episode he makes the case that real-world assets will become the dominant option in DAO portfolios, and that the boundary between DeFi and traditional finance will eventually stop mattering altogether.

Chuck Mounts spent 25 years covering global banks and sovereigns at Goldman Sachs, UBS, and Merrill Lynch before becoming Chief DeFi Officer at S&P Global. In this 2023 episode he maps out what he sees as the difference between DeFi's evolution phase — reducing friction, streamlining execution — and the revolution that follows: new pools of capital, democratized access, and real-world income onchain at a scale traditional markets have never seen. The end game, in his view, is not a question of if but when.

In 2022, when real-world asset allocations in DeFi were still measured in millions, Sébastien Derivaux was already making the case that a financial system without real assets is just speculation. In this episode he explains how MakerDAO was approaching that problem, and makes his bet for what would finally bring institutions onchain — a yield curve in DeFi.

In DeFi's first episode, recorded in 2022 when real-world asset lending was still fringe, Kevin Miao made the case that DeFi had already built the rails for structured credit without realizing it. The same if-then logic that routes payments through 15 counterparties in traditional securitization — servicers, calculation agents, paying agents, DTC — is exactly what smart contracts do natively, at zero marginal cost. In this episode he explains why BlockTower bet early on bringing institutional credit onchain, and why the technology is both further along and further away than most people think.