It's lights, camera, action as Troy Deeney and Jermain Defoe remember the first time they stepped away from the pitch to work as pundits.

They talk about growing up as Match of the Day fans and discussing pundits they admired as both kids and as players, and who they enjoy listening to now. Troy talks about his first experience as a pundit on Monday Night Football, they compare notes about working on MOTD, and how they prepare for both TV and radio appearances.

The pair also contemplate whether current players watch live football, ask why young people can't concentrate on a full 90 minutes, and muse on Virgil Van Dijk smelling so good whilst he plays.