Hari and Kamau can't help noticing that Blue Lives Matter, except when they try to defend the Capitol. Cat Brooks of the Anti Police-Terror Project and Dr. Phillip Atiba Goff of the Center for Policing Equity unpack what it means to "defund the police" — and why it's so damn hard. Plus, the ACLU's Kate Ruane is concerned about Twitter's Trump ban, even though she thinks he deserves much worse.

Find our guests: Dr. Phillip Atiba Goff (@DrPhilGoff) https://www.policingequity.org Cat Brooks (@catscommentary) https://www.antipoliceterrorproject.org Kate Ruane https://www.aclu.org

Find us: Hari Kondabolu (@harikondabolu) http://www.harikondabolu.com/ W. Kamau Bell (@wkamaubell) http://www.wkamaubell.com/

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