In this episode, we explore Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) in Counseling and Counselor Education with special guests Dr. Rick Balkin, Dr. Laura Schmuldt, Dr. Lourdes Araujo, and Demetrius Jifunza. Our discussion examines the well-intended goals of DEI and the challenges it has faced in achieving its ideals. We also address the complexities of discussing DEI in today’s climate, where open conversations on the topic can be difficult and even professionally risky—an irony that contradicts the very purpose of engaging in meaningful dialogue. Additionally, we delve into the impact of DEI on faculty hiring and its influence on grant funding decisions.