The shift from legacy to digital infrastructure is central to many companies’ strategy to compete in a fast-changing world. But at the architectural level, such change can be hard — or at least expensive — to effect. Not everyone wants to break things when they move fast.

In this episode, our hosts, Zhamak Dehghani and Mike Mason are joined by Ryan Murray, Director of Digital Platforms at ThoughtWorks, to consider how organizations can transform themselves through a deeper understanding of their systems, the information and their business capabilities — and the interrelation between these things.