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The difference between debt that grows your business and debt that quietly destroys it often comes down to one thing: whether you actually understand the numbers before you sign.
Cameron Tilley has been our finance broker for almost two decades, which means he’s had a front-row seat to some of the Kennedy family’s more delusional business decisions. He’s also seen businesses across countless industries borrow, expand, refinance, struggle and grow.
We get into the side of business finance most owners only learn once it hurts: why profit doesn’t necessarily mean you have cash, how banks actually assess your business, when debt makes sense, what being overleveraged really looks like and why getting the right advice before you need money can completely change your options.
We get into:
→ Why Cameron believes even a 10% profit margin can be cutting it skinny when things go wrong
→ How a business can report a $400,000 net profit and still end up bankrupt because of cash flow
→ The numbers behind our bowling alley, from almost running out of money during the fit-out to getting finance moving after just nine months of trading
→ Good debt vs bad debt, and why an income-producing asset is very different from buying something because you want it
→ How leverage changes across houses, commercial property, business assets and specialised assets like a bowling alley
→ Why going straight to your bank can limit your options, and Cameron’s explanation of what a finance broker actually does
→ The cash flow system we’re building around weekly breakevens, separate bank accounts, tax, buffers and seasonal revenue
→ Interest rates, refinancing, fixed vs variable debt and why flexibility can matter just as much as getting the lowest rate
If you’re building something ambitious and debt is part of the plan, this conversation will make you think much harder about what you borrow, what you buy and whether your cash flow can actually carry it.
Chapters:
0:00 Meet Cameron Tilley
3:00 The most “delusional” businesses Cameron has financed
5:00 Credit card surcharges and hidden business costs
8:00 How much financial buffer does a business need?
11:00 Building the right professional team around your business
15:00 Profit margins across different industries
20:00 What a finance broker actually does
23:00 When should a business refinance its debt?
26:00 Why profit and cash flow are not the same thing
32:00 Arcade or hospitality venue? Our real expansion dilemma
34:00 How to know when you’re overleveraged
36:00 Good debt vs bad debt
41:00 How banks assess business owners and ABN history
44:00 Finance broker vs going straight to the bank
47:00 Building a better cash flow system
53:00 Using seasonality to plan your marketing and revenue
56:00 What interest rate rises mean for small businesses
59:00 Fixed vs variable debt when you’re still growing
1:01:00 Restructuring, tax changes and protecting your exit
1:08:00 Submarines, planes and Cameron’s strangest finance requests
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