Lilan Bowden is a talker. Devin Kawaoka (Shrinking, Chicago Med) is a listener. This week, they ponder the quiet skills that shape creative lives. They get into how clowning exposes the soul, what the difference is between just listening and truly hearing someone, and how our childhood roles like peacemaker, performer, or observer shape our craft of acting, directing, or teaching, and what it mean to be fully present.
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