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What does it mean to feel like a mother, a coworker, a sister, and a friend to the same person? Peyton Elizabeth Lee (Andi Mac, Doogie Kameāloha, M.D.) and Lilan Bowden have the relationship. What began on the set of Disney Channel’s show Andi Mack continues today as they reminisce about sleepovers in Utah and behind the scenes moments, discover how acting techniques apply to their every day lives, and explore how to keep going when the chaos of the world feels overwhelming.
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Lilan Bowden is a talker. Devin Kawaoka (Shrinking, Chicago Med) is a listener. This week, they ponder the quiet skills that shape creative lives. They get into how clowning exposes the soul, what the difference is between just listening and truly hearing someone, and how our childhood roles like peacemaker, performer, or observer shape our craft of acting, directing, or teaching, and what it mean to be fully present.
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Lilan Bowden and Luke Tennie (Abbot Elementary, The Pitt, Jade) first met while acting on Shrinking, but it’s this pondersation that reveals their shared love of family, siblings, and partners, and how those relationships inspire them to build a better world for their children. Together, they revisit the shows and movies that shaped them, exploring how those early influences now drive their desire to create work that feels lasting rather than loud.

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Join Lilan Bowden for Pondersations, a sharp, curious conversation series where half-formed thoughts and big questions get talked through with smart, funny friends—no agenda, no rush, just seeing where the idea actually leads.

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