Around the world policymakers seem to be grappling with the same question: How best to govern artificial intelligence? The Center for Security and Emerging Technology, a Washington-based think tank, has emerged as a key and influential player in that conversation. And on this episode of Safe Mode, its executive director, Dewey Murdick, sits down with host Elias Groll to describe what he sees as the enabling principles of AI governance. Also on the show this week, CyberScoop reporter AJ Vicens discusses a landmark breach affecting AT&T that saw call and text records of nearly all the company’s customers be stolen.