As season 2 comes to a close, Natasha and Dr. Julie crank up the old Zoom again for a remote episode looking back at the six episodes and one magnified episode of season 2. They chew the fat reflecting on the conversations with our fabulous guests and showcase their highlights.

We’ll be back with season 3 for International Women's Day and a special episode.

Don't forget, you can find us on Twitter and we'd love to hear your suggestions on themes and topics around Diversity and Inclusion that you'd love us to cover!


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Hear from author Joy Burnford about the behavioural traits of inclusive leaders (using her PACE model), the need for flexibility in the workplace and how men can be active allies.
Joy’s book is called Don’t Fix Women and is out now.
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When Terence heard our episode on labels and the discussion around the word ‘queer’, he contacted us with his views on how this relates to the ‘N’ word. 

Resources discussed:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/whites-refer-to-the-n-word/596872/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baldwin
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/08/07/another-professor-under-fire-using-n-word-class-while-discussing-james-baldwin
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We talk to Franstine Jones, campaigner and director of Aspire Black Suffolk CIC, about the treatment that Black women can face from police and the criminal justice system when reporting domestic abuse. Hear about the barriers Black women face and Franstine’s suggestions for improvement.
Resources discussed:
https://www.sistahspace.org/
https://refuge.org.uk/
https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/the-survivors-handbook/women-from-bme-communities/
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/race-britain/stop-and-think-again
https://www.iscre.org.uk/community-voice/stop-and-search/ssrg/
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Hear from super dads, Paul and Michael Atwal-Brice. Fathers to two sets of twins, one set with severe disabilities, Paul and Michael candidly share their journey into fostering and adoption as gay men and the joy, along with the challenges, that they have experienced.
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We are joined by Dr Heather Currie MBE, co-founder and Managing Director of MenopauseMatters.com and Associate Specialist Gynaecologist, specialising in Menopause. We talk about menopause in the workplace, what managers should know and how affected employees could start conversations with their managers.
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We talk to Jason Wilson, author and son of a career criminal, about his experience growing up with a parent in prison and how this affected his life choices. Also hear about Jason’s ‘Break the Cycle’ campaign. 
Jason’s book is called The Old Man And Me and is out now.


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In the first episode of Season Two, we talk to Paul Russell, founder of Standing Ovation Choir and vocal coach and choir director to West End and Broadway stars. We explore labels - how we can give ourselves labels and how others allocate labels to us. We also discuss the positives and negatives of labeling.
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Small little treat as we round off Season 1, as Producer Dan puts Doctor Julie and Not Yet A Doctor Natasha on the spot and into the guest seats. Why did they want to do a Diversity and Inclusion Podcast? Who are their heroes? How many fits of laughter does an audio editor have to remove when these two invade the studio?
Season 2 of D&I Spy will be with you on 5th January 2023.
Have a very merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year. J, N & D x
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As we approach the end of season 1, Natasha and Dr. Julie boot up the old Zoom for their first remote episode.
The pair look back at the six episodes of season 1, reflecting on the conversations with our amazing guests and their takeaways and highlights.
And we briefly look forward to what listeners can expect from season 2 in 2023. Don't forget, you can find us on Twitter and we'd love to hear suggestions on themes and topics around Diversity and Inclusion that you'd love us to cover!
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