Cet entretien a été mené en Français - This interview was conducted in French

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Durée : 2h28

Stefanie Prezioso est une historienne spécialiste de l’Europe du XXe siècle. Docteure en histoire de l'Université de Lausanne depuis 2002, elle y est aujourd’hui professeure d’histoire contemporaine à l'Institut d'études politiques. Elle a été membre du Conseil scientifique de la Mission du Centenaire de la Première Guerre mondiale, réunissant des spécialistes internationaux de premier plan.

Son savoir apporte un cadre critique d’analyse de la façon dont l'érosion de la vigilance antifasciste peut affaiblir les institutions démocratiques.

Dans cet entretien, Stéfanie Prezioso revient sur les mécanismes historiques qui ont rendu possible la normalisation des droites radicales en Italie et, à travers elle, en Europe. Elle analyse les enchaînements qui, depuis la fondation de la Première République, ont sapé la légitimité de l’antifascisme et permis la réhabilitation progressive des héritiers du régime mussolinien. De la volonté de réconciliation nationale des démocrates-chrétiens à la discipline imposée au parti communiste par Moscou, en passant par les contestations de Mai 68, les années de plomb et l'échec du compromis historique, elle montre comment l’effacement de la vigilance antifasciste a fragilisé la capacité de la démocratie italienne à identifier ses adversaires. Elle retrace également la manière dont l’effondrement de l’ancien système partisan, les scandales de corruption et la recomposition du champ politique ont préparé l’ascension d’une droite hybride et déjà extrémisée, dont Silvio Berlusconi fut la figure inaugurale.

L’entretien met aussi en lumière la continuité et les différences entre les coalitions bâties autour de Forza Italia et la configuration actuelle, dominée par Fratelli d’Italia et dirigée par Giorgia Meloni. Si cette dernière bénéficie de la confiance des partenaires européens de l’Italie, son gouvernement, selon Prezioso, franchit une étape inédite : il ne se contente plus d’effacer la mémoire de l’antifascisme, mais s’emploie désormais à le criminaliser, à la manière de ce que l’on peut observer aux Etats-Unis sous l’ère Trump. Malgré cette dérive inquiétante, Stéfanie Prezioso souligne que la persistance de l’antifascisme comme repoussoir démontre sa force continue : loin d'être un vestige du passé, il demeure une ressource politique essentielle pour comprendre et combattre la droitisation à l'œuvre.

Entretien avec Michel Feher

Propos recueillis à Paris le 13 Octobre 2025 

Réalisation : Thierry Corroyer

Production : Florence Mention et Aurélie Windels

Dossier : Alexandra Bucher, Michel Feher, Thomas Gmür, Tom Novak et Aurélie Windels 

Recherche visuelle : Sophie Liner

Musique : Laz Lo, Eeryskies, Damiens Simons

Voix : Marie-Laure Boggio

Production, montage et mixage du podcast : Deborah Le Grand

CHAPITRES:

00:00:00 – Introduction à L'Italie, orpheline de l'antifascisme

00:05:55 - (Chap.1) Les militants dans la tourmente  

00:23:05 -.(Chap.2) Le poids de l’unité nationale 

00:37:11 - (Chap.3) Réveils brutaux 

00:47:34 - (Chap.4) Le long automne de la Première République

00:59:00 - (Chap.5) Une nouvelle droite clinquante 

01:13:45 - (Chap.6) Confusion clownesque

01:22:48 - (Chap.7) Les absences de la gauche

01:32:43 - (Chap.8) L’Italie en éclaireur 

01:53:31 - (Chap.9) Antifascisme aujourd’hui

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Duration: 1h02

Naomi Oreskes is an Affiliated Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard University. She is an accomplished earth scientist, historian, and public speaker known for her extensive research on the interplay between science, society, and politics. Her work brings critical insights into how scientific knowledge shapes and is shaped by broader cultural and political forces.

Her expertise centers on the role of science in society, the reality of anthropogenic climate change, and the pervasive impact of disinformation campaigns that obstruct climate action.

In our video interview, Naomi Oreskes discusses the enduring struggle against climate denialism, tracing its roots from tobacco and acid rain skepticism in the 1980s to the far more aggressive and politicized climate denial tactics witnessed today. She elaborates on how the rise of authoritarianism, notably during Donald Trump’s presidency, has fueled a backlash against environmental progress by empowering actors she calls the “merchants of doubt.” Instead of merely discrediting scientific facts, these actors now seek to dismantle the institutions that produce climate research, threatening efforts to address global warming.

Oreskes also highlights the stark power imbalance in the climate crisis: while powerful fossil fuel interests use their proximity to political power to maintain the status quo, vulnerable populations around the world face the gravest consequences of inaction. The deliberate production of ignorance, she argues, has become a highly effective weapon wielded by the far right to stall meaningful climate solutions. 

Our interview, conducted in Boston in March 2025, delves deeply into these urgent issues, offering a vital perspective on the challenges and stakes of contemporary climate politics.

CHAPTERS: 

00:00:00 – Introduction to The Manufacture of Denial

00:04:40 - (Chap.1) The George C. Marshall Institute: From MAD to Star Wars

00:14:53 - (Chap.2) White House Interference in the Acid Rain Report

00:20:13 - (Chap.3) The Montreal Protocol, a “backdoor to communism”?

00:23:36 - (Chap.4) Revelle, Schelling, Nordhaus: From Outright Denial to Organized Delay

00:30:14 - (Chap.5) George H.W. Bush’s “White House Effect”

01:40:27 - (Chap.6) The New Quality of Climate Denial

01:44:44 - (Chap.7) Trump 2.0: From Denial to Destruction

01:52:25 - (Chap.8) Carbon Capture as a New Form of Denial

01:56:51 - (Chap.9) Difference, Export, and Convergence of Denial

Interviewed by Marius Bickhardt

Conducted on the 24th of March 2025

Directed by Adam Mikaelian

Editing by Thierry Corroyer

Produced by Vladimir Gurewich

Dossier : Marius Bickhardt

Visual Reasearch : Sophie Liner

Music by Laz Lo, Eeryskies, Damiens Simons

Voice : Amanda Bay

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Duration: 2h07 

Verónica Gago is a prominent Argentinian scholar and activist whose work bridges critical political economy, feminist theory, and the study of grassroots movements. A professor at the University of Buenos Aires and UNSAM, and a member of CONICET, she has been involved in major feminist mobilizations across Latin America, including Ni Una Menos, Marea Verde, and the Feminist Strike.From her role in the collective Tinta Limón Ediciones to her coordination of feminist research groups, Veronica Gago challenges the traditional boundaries between academia and activism. 

Feminism, as she understands it, does not only deal with issues that are specific to women, such as reproductive rights. Instead, it should be treated as a perspective from which we can understand a wide range of economic, social, and political issues. Her collaborative book A Feminist Reading of the Debt exemplifies this approach: examining the deregulation of financial transactions, austerity programs, and even the ascendency of cryptocurrency through a feminist lens. Veronica Gago shows how macropolitical measures affect and are affected by microsocial practices; or, to use her own terms, how neoliberalism from above interacts with “neoliberalism from below” (the title of her 2014 book).

In our conversation, Veronica Gago reflects on the advent of Javier Milei, the libertarian president of Argentina.Just as Chile under Augusto Pinochet was a laboratory for the upcoming neoliberal era, Milei’s Argentina plays the role of a pilot experiment vis-à-vis the mutant neoliberal regimes that are currently taking over the world. Striking features of these new formations include the overtly sadistic deployment of cruelty as a mobilizing tool but also the masochistic appeal to sacrifice, in the name of the nation or even of freedom. 

To ward off bleak political horizon, Veronica Gago bets on the transformative power of feminist organizing, celebrating la potencia feminista as a “desire to change everything.” Her work can truly serve as a remedy against militant depression.

CHAPTERS:

00:00:00 – Introduction to ARGENTINIAN LABORATORY

00:07:44 - (Chap.1) Collective Experiences of Political Formation

00:19:18 - (Chap.2) New Neoliberal Subjectivations

00:30:03 - (Chap.3) Baroque Entreprenerial Impulses

00:42:58 - (Chap.4) Feminist Organization and Resistance From Below

00:59:13 - (Chap.5) The (Un)Surprising Rise of Milei 

01:10:10 - (Chap.6) Occupying the State to Destroy It

01:18:26 - (Chap.7)The Speculative and Sacrificial Generation

01:34:17 - (Chap.8) Gender Identifications and Interpellations

01:53:44 - (Chap.9) Neofascism from Above and from Below

01:58:40 - (Chap.10) Joyful Militancy in Critical Context

Interviewed by Michel Feher and Eric Fassin

Conducted on the 1st of April 2025 in Paris

Directed by Jean-Charles Ho Van Cam and Thierry Corroyer

Produced by Aurélie Windels

Dossier: Alexandra Bucher and Thomas Gmuer

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Duration: 2h41

Daniela Gabor is a heterodox economist and professor at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in London, where she has established herself as one of the leading international scholars of macro-finance. She earned her PhD in Banking and Finance from the University of Stirling in 2009 and draws inspiration from post-Keynesian economist Hyman Minsky for her critical approach to the relationship between finance and the State. As an expert consultant for the European Parliament, the G20, the United Nations, and several central banks, she bridges academic research with high-level policy debates. Her forthcoming book, to be published by Norton, will focus on what she calls the “Wall Street Consensus.”

Focusing on the current interactions among central banks, repo markets, Treasuries and private investors, Daniela Gabor has developed the concept of the de-risking State to describe the growing role of governments in steering and securing private investment deemed socially or politically desirable, for example in the context of climate transition. She is also the author and co-editor of several key volumes in political economy, including Central Banking at a Crossroads (2014), The Routledge Companion to Banking Regulation and Reform (2017), and Rewriting the Rules of the European Economy (2019), co-authored with Joseph Stiglitz and Isabel Ortiz.

In this video, Daniela Gabor offers a critical analysis of the evolution of macro-financial regimes, from Bretton Woods and the Washington Consensus to the current Wall Street Consensus. She shows how shifts in economic governance reflect political struggles over the role of private finance in delivering public goods. She questions whether de-risking strategies represent a genuine break with neoliberal orthodoxy or a rebranded form of greenwashing and privatization of the public sphere. Finally, she examines the uncertain future of the Wall Street Consensus in the face of geopolitical turbulence, pointing to the return of the whining hegemon as a possible omen of impending marco-financial change.

CHAPTERS:

00:00:00 – Introduction to THE WALL STREET CONSENSUS

00:07:40 - (Chap.1) Critical Macro-Finance

00:20:32 - (Chap.2) The Formation of a “Consensus”

00:25:40 - (Chap.3) The Demise of Postwar Regimes

00:43:37 - (Chap.4) Washington Consensus VS Wall Street Consensus

00:52:31 - (Chap.5) The investibility pact 

01:11:51 - (Chap.6) On Derisking

01:22:23 - (Chap.7)Varieties of Partnerships

01:31:48 - (Chap.8) Sticks and Carrots?

01:47:14 - (Chap.9) Speculations on the Trump factor

02:11:25 - (Chap.10) Mutations and Resilience of the Wall Street Consensus

02:26:19 - (Chap.11) Toward the Big Green State?

Interview by Michel Feher

Conducted on the 11th of April 2025

Directed by Jean-Charles Ho Van Cam

Edited by Thierry Corroyer

Produced by Aurélie Windels

Dossier by Alexandra Bucher

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Music by Laz Lo, Eeryskies, Damiens Simons

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Duree : 3h40

Ziad Majed est un politiste franco-libanais né à Beyrouth en 1970. Professeur à l'Université américaine de Paris, il dirige le programme des études du Moyen-Orient et enseigne la science politique ainsi que les relations internationales. Auteur et chercheur reconnu, il s’est spécialisé dans l'étude des transitions démocratiques, des réformes politiques et du rôle de la société civile au Liban, en Syrie et plus largement au sein du monde arabe. Son engagement l’a amené à contribuer à la fondation du mouvement de la gauche démocratique et à participer au soulèvement de l'indépendance du Liban en 2005. 

Dans cette vidéo, Ziad Majed examine les transformations qui ont affecté les États et les sociétés du Proche-Orient depuis les Accords d’Abraham jusqu'à la campagne génocidaire menée par Israël après les attaques terroristes du Hamas le 7 Octobre 2023. Il propose une analyse de l’incidence régionale et globale des bouleversements en cours, en portant une attention particulière au Liban et à la Syrie. L’entretien s’attache à évaluer les marges de manœuvre des gouvernements de Beyrouth et de Damas, concurremment confrontés aux conflits internes, aux ambitions des puissances avoisinantes – la Turquie, l’Arabie saoudite, l’Iran, le Qatar, l’Égypte – et à l’expansionnisme israélien - soutenu par les États-Unis. 

Notre entretien avec Ziad Majed a eu lieu à Paris en deux épisodes: le premier, le 9 mai 2025, alors que Donald Trump s’apprêtait à rencontrer Mohammed Ben Salmane à Riyadh; le second, le 30 août 2025, soit deux mois après les bombardements israéliens et américains sur l’Iran. 

CHAPITRES:

00:00:00 – Introduction à Moyen Orient, année zéro

00:06:31 - (Chap.1) Donald Trump et l’Iran, le temps de l’indécision  

00:25:53 -.(Chap.2) Israël sur trois fronts 

00:37:44 - (Chap.3) Le reste du monde arabe : tétanisation et attentisme 

00:47:34 - (Chap.4) Après la chute de la maison Assad : de l’euphorie à l’angoisse

01:00:50 - (Chap.5) Les premiers pas d’Ahmed Al-Charaa 

01:27:01 - (Chap.6) Les marges de manoeuvre du gouvernement libanais

01:48:41 - (Chap.7) La question kurde

02:07:08 - (Chap.8) Moments fondateurs du Moyen-Orient contemporain 

02:38:46 - (Chap.9) L’Iran après la guerre des douze jours

02:54:31 - (Chap.10) La décomposition de “l’axe de la résistance”: Liban, Irak

03:11:00 - (Chap.11) L’acharnement israélien en Syrie

03:29:51 - (Chap.12) Quel horizon ?

Propos recueillis le 9 mai et 30 août 2025

Entretien avec Michel Feher

Réalisation : Thierry Corroyer (mai) et Jean-Charles Ho Van Cam (septembre)

Montage : Thierry Corroyer

Production : Aurélie Windels

Dossier : Thomas Gmür, Michel Feher et Tom Novak

Recherche visuelle : Sophie Liner

Musique : Laz Lo, Eeryskies, Damiens Simons

Voix : Marie-Laure Boggio

Production, montage et mixage du podcast : Deborah Le Grand

Voix : Deborah Le Grand

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Bonjour et bienvenue sur Diagrammes, un média indépendant et bilingue basé à Paris et à New York. Parce que résister à la droitisation du monde impose d’abord d’en prendre la mesure, Diagram[me]s propose toutes les trois semaines, et en accès libre, un ou plusieurs longs entretiens avec des chercheurs, des journalistes et des activistes. Rejoignez-nous !

Le monde se droitise à une cadence infernale. Le mouvement qui l’emporte est concurremment imprimé par des bruts qui invoquent la sécurité de leur peuple pour remodeler leur voisinage, des oligarques qui profitent de leur proximité avec le pouvoir pour faire main basse sur les ressources de l’État, et des faiseurs d’opinions payés par les seconds pour légitimer les basses œuvres des premiers. Mais sa trajectoire bénéficie en outre de la complaisance d’acteurs politiques et d’experts censément attachés au droit et à la raison, ainsi que de la perméabilité croissante des électorats aux désirs d’épuration que nourrit le ressentiment. Parce qu’entraver la poursuite d’une telle dérive suppose d’abord de mieux la comprendre, Diagrammes ambitionne de rejoindre le réseau des sites où les composantes de l’actuel « cap au pire » sont inventoriées et analysées. 

Avec un nouvel épisode diffusé chaque mois, Diagrammes propose des entretiens approfondis avec des universitaires, des journalistes et des militants. Notre objectif est de mettre en lumière des recherches qui éclairent le présent et d'offrir une perspective plus claire sur les lignes de fracture de notre monde en pleine mutation.

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Duration: 2h01

Joe Lowndes is a prominent scholar of American politics, specializing in the study of right-wing movements, populism, and race. He holds a PhD in Political Science from The New School for Social Research and is currently a Visiting Distinguished Lecturer at Hunter College, after having served as Professor of Political Science at the University of Oregon. 

Lowndes is the author of influential works such as “From the New Deal to the New Right: Race and the Southern Origins of Modern Conservatism” and, with Daniel Martinez HoSang, “Producers, Parasites, Patriots: Race and the New Right-Wing Politics of Precarity”. 

His ongoing research includes co-editing “The Politics of the Multiracial Right” and writing “Adventures in Post-Democracy”, an ethnographic exploration of the growing authoritarian tendencies within American political culture.

In our interview, Joe Lowndes traces the evolution of the American right from the early 1990s to the present, highlighting key moments such as Pat Buchanan’s failed 1992 campaign, the rise of the Tea Party during the Obama years, and the transformation of the Republican Party under Donald Trump. He offers a striking analysis of how events often portrayed as crises—such as the Charlottesville rally, the COVID-19 pandemic, the Black Lives Matter protests, and the January 6th Capitol assault—have, paradoxically, served to radicalize and embolden Trump’s base. 

Lowndes also examines the emergence of a multiracial far-right, evidenced by increased minority support for Trump and the participation of activists of color in extremist groups, while emphasizing that racism and xenophobia remain central to Trump 2.0. 

Finally, he reflects on the blind spots and avoidance techniques of both liberals and the left, noting their reluctance to confront the challenges posed by the new configuration of the American political landscape.

A profound and indispensable analysis for understanding the ongoing transformations of American democracy—and the political challenges they pose far beyond the United States.

CHAPTERS:

00:00:00 – Introduction to Revolutionary conservatism

00:06:49 - (Chap.1) The paleoconservative challenge

00:27:21 - (Chap.2) The tea party Obama’s fixation

00:44:43 - (Chap.3) The fear of a majority-minority nation

00:53:41 - (Chap.4) From Charlottesville to the capitol - The view from MAGA

01:06:07 - (Chap.5) The rise of a multiracial far-right

01:29:14 - (Chap.6) The masculinist factor

01:43:03 - (Chap.7) The Democrats’ debacle

01:50:23 - (Chap.8) Is it fascism?

Interview by Michel Feher and William Callison

Directed by Justin Luis Denis and Thierry Corroyer

Produced by Vladimir Gurewich

Dossier: Aurélie Windels and Michel Feher

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Duration: 1h56

Melinda Cooper is currently professor in the School of Sociology at the Australian National University. She earned her Doctorate from the University of Paris VIII (Vincennes-St-Denis) in 2001. She is the author of Life as Surplus: Biotechnology and Capitalism in the Neoliberal Era (2008), Clinical Labour: Tissue Donors and Research Subjects in the Global Economy (with Catherine Waldby, 2014), Family Values: Between Neoliberalism and the New Social Conservatism (2017) and Counterrevolution: Extravagance and Austerity in Public Finance (2024).

Her most recent book Counterrevolution exposes the logic of neoliberal public finance, which mandates crushing austerity for wage earners alongside extravagant fiscal and monetary generosity for asset holders. The book demonstrates how this dual imperative has transformed the DNA of capitalism, turning capital gains into the primary profit form and, by that token, precipitating the advent of a new “gilded age.”

In this video, Melinda Cooper’s applies her incisive analysis to the most recent transformations of capitalism. As the neoliberal counterrevolution reaches its limits, what lies ahead is neither a return to Keynesianism nor a break with a capitalism, but a new phase in the mutation of neoliberalism: one marked by the unprecedented concentration of capital in the hands of a new generation of “robber barons.” The multinationals of the past are being replaced by former startups, now publicly traded yet still entirely controlled by their founders.

To maintain their unchecked power, these oligarchs rely on the backing of political leaders such as Donald Trump, who are likewise committed to dismantling the counterpowers that define the rule of law. This is what Melinda Cooper calls revolutionary conservatism: a project that blends nostalgia for a mythical past with a cult of the visionary entrepreneur, in pursuit of the final liquidation of democracy.

An essential analysis for understanding the political stakes of our time.

CHAPTERS:

00:00:00 – Introduction to Revolutionary conservatism

00:05:32 - (Chap.1) All the President’s men

00:13:09 - (Chap.2) Hybrid companies

00:35:29 - (Chap.3) On patrimonial capitalism

00:49:08 - (Chap.4) Cannibalization of the Republican Party

00:57:42 - (Chap.5) The little guy vs the fat cats

01:13:30 - (Chap.6) The social neoliberalism of the Democratic party

01:26:30 - (Chap.7) Hegemony trouble

01:36:28 - (Chap.8) Project 2025 and the destruction of the administrative state

Interview by Michel Feher

Directed by Thierry Corroyer and Meredith Williams

Produced by Florence Mention and Aurélie Windels

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Duration: 2h04

Eyal Weizman, an Israeli-British architect and professor at Goldsmiths, University of London, is the founder and director of the research collective Forensic Architecture. In this interview, we recount the origins, discuss the methodology and explain the evolution of Forensic Architecture, both the agency and the discipline, until the recent publication of A Cartography of Genocide.

We also retrace the longstanding involvement of the collective with the Palestinian cause, shed light on troubling resonances between the ongoing Israeli campaign in Gaza and genocidal precedents in Namibia and Guatemala, and examine the contemporary backlash against movements of solidarity with Palestine.

CHAPTERS:

00:00:00 – Introduction to Genocidal Intent

00:05:47 - (Chap.1) Origins of Forensic Architecture : Emergent Coutercartography of Palestine  

00:23:45 -.(Chap.2) Between humanism and science : Testimonies reconsidered 

00:37:17 - (Chap.3) Displacing Law : Socialized evidence production 

00:48:04 - (Chap.4) “A cartography of genocide” : Medics as new witnesses

01:04:12 - (Chap.5) Patterns : Facts on the grounds and guilty minds 

01:15:02 - (Chap.6) Genocidal resonnances : Guatemala and Namibia 

01:23:54 - (Chap.7) “Conditions of life” : Calculus as a mode of control

01:34:21 - (Chap.8) Lebensraum : Deployment of the zionist project 

01:51:51 - (Chap.9) Continuous Nakba : Failed depolitization and protracted eradication

02:03:52 - (Chap.10) Reception since October 2023 : Escalation of the pushback

…

This episode addresses Forensic Architecture, Gaza, Palestine and international law.

Interviewed by Michel Feher

Conducted on January 26, 2025

Directed by Thierry Corroyer

Produced by Florence Mention and Aurélie Windels

Dossier: Thomas Gmuer

Visual Research : Sophie Liner

Music by Laz Lo, Eeryskies, Damiens Simons

Voice : Amanda Bay

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Duration: 1h52

Thea Riofrancos is an Associate Professor of Political Science at Providence College and a Strategic Co-Director of the Climate and Community Institute. Her research focuses on resource extraction, climate change, the global lithium sector, green technologies, and the Latin American left. She is the author of Extraction: The Frontiers of Green Capitalism and Resource Radicals: From Petro-Nationalism to Post-Extractivism in Ecuador, and the coauthor of A Planet to Win: Why We Need a Green New Deal.

In our conversation, Thea shows how renewable and fossil extractivism is not merely a localized operation of resource removal, but an enduring political and economic regime. She highlights the growing fusion of climate goals, industrial imperatives, and geopolitical strategies. It marks a new phase of green capitalism that displaces the failures of market-based mechanisms with tensions of its own.

This interview reframes contemporary resource politics within the long arc of extractive geoeconomics, from the oil crisis to Biden’s green policies and Trump 2.0.

CHAPTERS:

00:00:00 – Introduction to Extractivism, green and brown

00:05:58 - (Chap.1) What is extractivism?

00:15:27 - (Chap.2) Green and brown mining

00:24:30 - (Chap.3) The Security-Sustainability nexus

00:40:10 - (Chap.4) Green Capitalism

01:03:31 - (Chap.5) History of Geoeconomics

01:15:25 - (Chap.6) Ecomodernism vs Degrowth

01:23:39 - (Chap.7) Trumps’s Energy Emergency

01:28:28 - (Chap.8) Insecurity and unsustainability under Trump 2.0

01:33:10 - (Chap.9) Critical Mineral Deals from Ukraine to Rwanda

01:40:20 - (Chap.10) From Opportunistic Greening to Fossil Fascism

Interviewed by Marius Bickhardt

Directed by Sam Jones

Editing by Thierry Corroyer

Produced by Vladimir Gurewich

Dossier : Marius Bickhardt

Visual Reasearch : Sophie Liner

Music by Laz Lo, Eeryskies, Damiens Simons

Voice : Amanda Bay

Podcast production, editing and mixing : Deborah Le Grand

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