In this episode, we address a crucial question for Managed Service Provider (MSP) owners: Should you completely step away from sales? While many founders dream of handing off sales entirely, the goal shouldn't be removing yourself from the process altogether , it's about removing the company's sole dependency on you. Learn why you will always be your company's best salesperson and how building a repeatable "sales engine" can scale your business and protect its valuation.

Chapters 01:12 - Why founders are always the best salespeople.

01:48 - The difference between a company cheerleader and a sales bottleneck.

02:56 - How lacking a sales engine slows growth and lowers business value.

03:49 - The authority and credibility founders bring to closing deals.

05:21 - The need for structures and processes beneath the founder.

06:29 - Using trained staff to qualify leads and involving founders for big deals.

09:16 - Removing total sales dependency on the founder, not removing the founder entirely.

11:20 - How technical founders can use their experience in meetings without walking away from sales.

13:46 - An inspirational story about a refugee engineering solar projects in Germany.

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Are you relying entirely on word of mouth to grow your MSP business? In this episode we discuss why relying on referrals isn't a sustainable growth strategy and what actions you need to take when that source dries up

Chapters

00:00 – Topic intro: Referrals and MSP growth.

00:41 – Defining business goals and growth limits.

02:07 – Evaluating customer satisfaction.

02:44 – Customer Happiness Score explained.

05:27 – Asking for referrals proactively.

07:24 – Implementing outreach strategies.

09:37 – Documenting sales success.

11:00 – Alternative lead gen and budgeting.

13:21 – Measuring data and the sales cycle.

16:06 – Weekly inspirational story. 17:41 – Outro and final remarks.

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Does your MSP business totally rely on you? Can you take time off and know that existing customer issues are solved and more importantly new business can be brought in, WITHOUT you having to be there. Many MSP founders do NOT have this luxury. Even after many years of running their companies, the business still relies on them. Within this podcast, I outline the steps you need to take as a founder to build a team and business that can operate and grow without you.

Chapters

00:41 - The core challenge of building an MSP that does not depend on the founder.

02:18 - Speaker's background running a SaaS/MSP business starting in 2005.

03:30 - Evaluating personal strengths and weaknesses (using tools like the DISC test).

05:22 - Identifying tasks and critical decisions that still rely directly on the founder.

06:41 - The importance of documenting standard operating procedures for consistency.

07:54 - Delegation vs. involvement: Learning to let go day-to-day.

08:30 - The rule of three: Automating or delegating repetitive tasks.

09:21 - 10:43: Resolving sales process issues when onboarding new salespeople.

10:43 - Cultivating a corporate culture centered around values and customer satisfaction.

12:12 - How detailed operational processes impact business valuations and M\&A due diligence.

13:51 - Empowering managers with authority and allowing them to learn from mistakes.

17:00 - Addressing sales as a core organizational weakness rather than just relying on referrals.

20:13 - Shifting expectations to build a leadership team capable of challenging decisions.

21:44 - Reframing sales for technical teams and leveraging customer service for referrals.

25:38 - Measuring business health while away and bridging operational gaps with external experts.

26:59 - Personal reflections on budget alignment failures vs. modern team autonomy.

27:57 - Inspirational story regarding domestic abuse law campaigns and closing remarks. -

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This won't apply to many Who think that use of the..... Phone is dead. But contrary to what many think, speaking to people on the phone still works. If you do it well. It's harder than it ever was to get through for sure. But if you combine calls along with other forms of cold outreach (such as email and direct mail) then it still works. Not to sell there and then but to create enough intrigue and interest to make someone want to have another conversation. Many would say there is no good or bad time to call but over the last 6 months as I have made calls for both my business and that of some customers, some trends have appeared. All covered in this week's podcast. Links below. If of course you think I am the Devil incarnate by even suggesting people should still pick up the phone and speak to people they don't know then you won't want to listen. It's ok, I understand. I guess those inbound leads are just flying in...... 😉

Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Cold Calling and Its Relevance

01:54 - Why MSPs Need a Consistent Sales Engine

03:49 - The Seven Methods of Outreach

04:45 - Preparing for Cold Calls: Targeting and Scripts

06:08 - Is There a Best Time to Cold Call?

08:00 - Timing Tips: When to Call for Better Chances

09:52 - Testing Different Call Times and Days 1

11:46 - Targeting Decision-Makers and Relevant Contacts

14:13 - Best Days of the Week for Cold Calling

16:02 - Avoiding Weekend Calls and When to Call During Incidents

18:05 - Using Relevant News and Events to Trigger Calls

20:05 - Measuring and Recording Call Results

22:01 - The Power of Longer Calls and Engagement

23:01 - Final Tips: Consistency, Practice, and Planning

26:07 - Conclusion and Inspirational Story

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If you want to close larger deals, you HAVE to be prepared for the deal to take time to complete. For many MSPs and service businesses, large deals can often take six to twelve months to close if not longer. What is critical are the actions you take in that time period to ensure your deal continues to move forward. You don't want to undo months of hard work by taking the wrong action and so in this podcast I explain the steps that I take to ensure larger and longer deals get closed. From identifying the real pain, the prospects options, building an internal champion and navigating different departments and people, this podcast will give you all you need to win high value contracts.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to the Sales Cycle

01:59 - Common Mistakes: The Engagement Gap

03:39 - Phase 1: Effective Lead Qualification

06:31 - Qualification Methodologies: MEDDIC & BANT

07:55 - Phase 2: Identifying Decision Makers & Internal Champions

10:31 - Phase 3: Building Multi-Level Organizational Relationships

12:35 - Phase 4: Maintaining Consistent Value-Based Engagement

14:50 - Strategic Planning: Mapping the Journey with Your Prospect

16:05 - Understanding Pain, Impact, and Priority

18:23 - Using Org Charts to Predict Future Roadblocks

19:36 - The Cost of Doing Nothing: Assessing Risk

23:08 - Knowing Your Red Lines: When to Walk Away

24:51 - CRM Best Practices for "Plate Spinning"

26:02 - Inspirational Story: Rob Franks and the Laptop Donation Project

27:30 - Q&A and Final Thoughts

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In this week's episode James White sits down with David Brooks as they discuss organizational politics, leadership transparency, and how openness can mitigate political challenges within organizations.

Chapters

00:51 — David Brooks’ career journey from support to CEO

03:17 — Early inspiration, work ethic, and family influence

08:47 — Why communication became a leadership strength

14:15 — Sales training, role play, and learning by practice

16:09 — Selling outcomes, not just technology

19:55 — Common sales mistakes in tech

22:11 — Selling to CEOs and getting through the door

25:23 — Why niche focus matters in IT services

29:06 — Sales engine, forecasting, and business growth

35:46 — Building and leading the right team

38:06 — Handling politics with openness and honesty

44:48 — Advice for scaling from small to bigger business

51:42 — Pricing pressure in education and premium positioning

54:55 — Work-life balance as a CEO

58:28 — Final advice: stay close to customers and pay attention to AI

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In this episode, I challenge conventional sales advice, arguing that a focus on "pitching" is often what kills deals. Drawing from experiences with Managed Service Providers (MSPs), the discussion centers on why shifting from a "selfish" sales mindset to a curious, problem-solving approach is critical for success in today’s market.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction: Sales advice that sounds right but doesn't work.

01:33 - Dispelling the myth of the traditional sales pitch.

02:40 - The power of intention: Understanding and listening to the customer.

03:04 - Case Study: Why focus on the customer's agenda over your sales goals.

06:18 - The LAPS Model: Listen, Ask, Probe, Summarize.

09:24 - Positioning: Why being a problem solver beats being a "salesperson".

11:29 - Mastering curiosity and effective questioning.

14:05 - Avoiding the "Pitch Trap": How to handle requests for company history.

17:12 - Powerful discovery questions for current situations and budgets.

20:38 - The "One Question" for sales success and protecting your reputation.

23:00 - Inspirational Story: Salman Khan and the founding of Khan Academy.

24:20 - Podcast wrap-up and final sign-off.

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Many MSP and IT service business owners find themselves in a cycle of hiring a salesperson only for the role to fail within months. In this episode, we dig into the eight critical reasons why these hires don't work out from expecting a new hire to have a founder's drive to failing to provide a documented sales blueprint.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction: Why your new sales hire didn't work out

01:17 - The "25K Experiment": The true cost of a failed hire

03:27 - Reason 1: Expecting them to be exactly like the founder

07:16 - Reason 2: Ignoring personality differences and DISC profiles

10:52 - Reason 3: Not giving the new hire enough time (4-6 month minimum)

14:07 - Reason 4: Failing to provide a documented sales blueprint

16:52 - Reason 5: Poor alignment between sales and marketing

18:37 - Reason 6: Lack of training, mentoring, and support

21:59 - Reason 7: Weak or uninspiring incentive and commission plans

27:06 - Reason 8: No clear, consistent technical stack or offering

28:16 - How to fix it: Focusing on your "sweet spot" audience

29:26 - Building a plan for growth and a sales engine

31:48 - Inspirational Story: Aron Ralston's survival

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There are 7 Key components of #salesgrowth for MSPs and IT service providers Each has a key role in allowing good companies to scale and become great Do you agree with the 7? Especially point number 2?

Have a listen and tell me I'm wrong

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to the 7 Hard Truths about MSP Growth

02:07 - Technical Brilliance vs. Soft Skills and Sales Engines

05:38 - Bespoke Setups Kill Scalability

09:34 - Founders as the Biggest Bottleneck

13:25 - Growth Requires Capital Investment in People and Systems

17:20 - A Niche Beats a Generalist

21:52 - Lack of a Structured, Repeatable Sales Process

25:04 - Sales Cycles in the MSP Space are Long

29:11 - Inspirational Story: Ann Makosinski and the Hollow Flashlight

30:21 - Closing Thoughts and "Eat or Be Eaten" Ethos

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For years, I've given customers advice on achieving sales success, but during all that time, I wasn't heeding my own advice.

I thought I was different. I enjoyed being different. Speaking to people from all over the world about their respective sales challenges gave me a buzz and of course so many of the fundamentals of sales and winning business are the same.

But I was not being true to myself And I was also not going to hit an objective I had set for myself WITHOUT making some changes. I had to start drinking my own champagne. Which is what I am now going to do.

All shared in this week's podcast episode. Trust me, its worth 20 mins of your time. There are 5 GAME changing reasons why.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to Personal Change

02:55 - Focusing on a Niche Market

05:46 - Understanding Your Audience

09:08 - The Importance of Relevance

11:56 - Becoming Known for Something

15:02 - Training and Standard Operating Procedures

17:50 - Scaling Your Business

21:02 - Conclusion and Inspirational Story

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