To many in the West, Paul Kagame is Rwanda’s saviour, the man who restored the country after its recent genocide. But those who have dealt with him inside and outside the country paint a very different and much darker picture.

Guests:

• Noel Zihabamwe - Survivor of 1994 genocide, now a leading member of Sydney's Rwandan community 

• Phil Clarke - Professor of International Politics at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London 

• Michela Wrong - British journalist and author 

Producers: Zoe Ferguson and Linda Lopresti 

Executive Producer: Amruta Slee 

Sound Engineer: John Jacobs