Different Points Podcast

In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask a simple question: how do you know when enough is enough? Catherine says most of the time we already know, whether it is time to leave a party, end a relationship, take a break from work or stop recording. She explains how we override that sense with alcohol, tiredness, too much sugar or too much coffee, and why it is worth protecting and rebuilding if you have lost touch with it. Roy shares how he and Catherine settled on recording in batches of seven, with a backlog so the show always goes out, even when someone is away or ill. He talks about cooking only what he and his son will eat so nobody has to leave food on the plate, and about why people drink past the point of enough, which he sees as escapism and a way of covering pain. They close by asking listeners what comes to mind when enough is enough.

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In this episode, Roy and Catherine take on a slightly odd topic: what are you pretending not to know, and what do you really know? Roy starts with something he has noticed in people’s emotions. Some people, women first and then men too, laugh in a conversation when nothing is funny, to get you to laugh and be liked. He knows it, never says it to them, and has found that people who do it are often not as straight as they come across. Catherine says she has been in those moments too, and she is not good at pretending, so people see a strange look on her face. For her, pretending not to know often means carrying on with something she knows is a waste of energy so she can stay busy and avoid facing that she doesn’t know what to do next. She gives an example from years ago, when she did executive coaching for large corporate organisations. She loved it and her identity was tied up with it, but she knew it was time to stop and pretended she didn’t, because she had no idea what she would do next. Her experience is that life is not impressed when she pretends not to know something and keeps presenting her with the truth, so she no longer tries. Roy adds that living in Poland, he sometimes pretends not to understand Polish, to see what people say when they think he can’t follow. Catherine shares how her father did the same in Italy, where he worked as a civil engineer during the war. A man criticised his skiing at length in front of him, and at the bottom of the slope her father thanked him for the feedback in fluent Italian and said he could have told him himself. She closes by inviting listeners to reflect on what they are pretending not to know and to send in their insights.

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In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask whether you can change your mind. Catherine can, but not when someone is trying to force her, because it’s her mind. She also admits she can get stuck, and links it to the sunk investment fallacy: the more you have put into something, the harder it is to let go, whether it’s an offering nobody wants despite years and money spent on marketing, or a 12-year relationship that has run its course. Her attachment is tied to what she has invested, but she points out that having invested a lot doesn’t mean letting go is wrong, and that it is wasting good money after bad to keep pouring more in. She warns that some influencers and business growth services will simply encourage people to keep spending on a business that will never work, while others will honestly tell you whether it’s worth the investment. Roy shares how this very show came about. Catherine sent him a voice message suggesting a podcast together, and his first reaction was that he had too much on his plate. Within minutes he changed his mind and suggested doing short episodes in batches, and that became Different Points. He says he has always been willing to change direction in business too, including when a partner doesn’t bring their A game, even after investing a lot of money, because the short-term pain is usually better in the long term. His advice is to use your intuition, your gut and your heart as well as your head, since the head alone can lead to the wrong decisions. Catherine closes with a quote from Timothy Leary: you’re only as young as the last time you changed your mind. Roy asks listeners when they last changed their mind, noting that some people stick to a decision even when presented with facts.

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In this episode, Roy and Catherine answer a listener request from Anthony Semeroff, a three-time guest on Catherine’s other show, who asked when to push and when not to push. Roy takes it as a question about pushing himself. He has goals in his business and pushes towards them, but he has learned to notice when the battery is going down and not fight through it. He gives last week as an example: Thursday was incredible and he got a huge amount done, then on Friday he was at 20 percent, so he didn’t push and simply accepted it. Catherine says she has a tendency to overpush until she collapses, and she is practising not doing that. For her the key is whether she is pushing for something or against something. If she pushes when she shouldn’t, she is fighting her own energy and intuition, and that is when it doesn’t work. On a project she pushes when there is traction and momentum, but when everything is failing it’s the time to analyse why, decide whether to stop or revive it, and push again once it gains traction. She also applies this to coaching: you don’t push someone unless they have contracted with you to do so, in a fully informed way, and you don’t keep pushing after the push they asked for. She wants no one to push her unless she has asked, and says the same applies in personal and work relationships, and for coaches and therapists. She closes by inviting listeners to notice what they are pushing today, whether it feels constructive or like fighting something, and, without pushing, to tell people about the show.

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The transcript spells the listener’s name “Semeroff” and I couldn’t check it, so confirm the spelling before posting.

In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what one small step you will take today. Catherine says she takes lots of small steps, but the one that matters right now is part of getting back into a good rhythm between work, relaxation, looking after her home, time with friends and her health. Today she is trying out a new version of that rhythm, and she started it by getting up at six, well before usual. Being ahead of the day makes it easier to fit in the small jobs, like the dishwasher and laundry, around her work and keep a flow going. Roy says that with so many businesses and so many balls in the air, he can feel overwhelmed by everything that looks important. His step today was to pick the big task first, the “eat the frog” approach, waking up at five to do it, and not adding more on top. He plans to focus on one or two money-making priorities at a time for the week, since hopping between three or four means none of them get finished and they just stay on the list. For him, the small step is the one that leads to the big steps.

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In this episode, Roy and Catherine reach their 50th episode and ask what a good life means. Roy thanks listeners for coming back and says the show is doing well in the charts and downloads. For him, a good life is about being present, not about owning a beautiful house or a fancy car that never breaks down, a point he makes after his own car broke down at the weekend. It is the people you surround yourself with, being close to family and loved ones, and enjoying and nourishing yourself with good food, not junk and energy drinks. Catherine says there isn’t one good life for everybody. Some of her friends define it as skiing every year, homes in London, the country and abroad, several cars, private schools and staff, and for them that is a good life, until they realise it has become a burden to manage and no longer fits. She shares a recent epiphany: she had been working very hard towards something, realised she didn’t actually want it, let it go, and her whole life changed from a drudge to something beautiful, because her life was already good in the way she wanted it. Roy adds that he loves cooking and putting love into food for the people he feeds, while a friend who eats out or has food made for him is missing something that is part of Roy’s good life. Catherine agrees, saying she would often rather eat her own cooking at home than go out for a meal. She closes by asking what a good life is for you, whether you are living it, and if not, what adjustments, even negotiations with the people in your life, you could make.

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In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what question ends your day. Catherine has two. The practical one is what she is doing tomorrow, which she checks or sets so she knows where her focus will go. The one she asks while winding down is how she feels about her day and her life, and whether things feel right. If something doesn’t, she uses a technique she was taught years ago called dream programming. She relaxes in bed, reflects briefly, then drops a request into her subconscious, such as asking it to resolve this overnight or give her clarity for the morning, and lets it go. She often wakes up with clarity, or a sense that something has resolved itself on a deeper level during the night. Roy says he does something similar when he wants an answer, but rarely, since he is usually crashing at the end of the day. He used to write his to-do list the night before and now sometimes writes it that morning, waking up naturally early and getting things done. He sometimes reflects on whether he enjoyed his day, but most of his thinking and strategising about his businesses happens while out on a walk, not at a set time at night. Catherine adds that with clients working on a gradual shift, they sometimes agree a specific end-of-day question tied to that project, so they notice subtle changes day to day, and she has made that a discipline for herself when working on something for a period of time.

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In this episode, Roy and Catherine talk about what brings them joy and whether we can choose it on purpose. Roy’s joy comes from being around loved ones and being present with them. This weekend that meant cooking with his son and taking him fishing again, watching him get his hook caught in a tree and reel in seaweed, plus walks and conversations with him and phone calls with his mum. He also finds joy when people spread the word about him, like a recent case where someone in a business group told a stranger to talk to him, and it turned into a client. Catherine says a lot of things bring her joy, and often it comes from an unexpected miracle. She describes waking up to a tree outside her window full of tiny birds singing and dancing on the branches, like a tree decorated with singing ornaments. She also shares what happens when she puts a chicken carcass out on the grass: small birds arrive first, then ants, then bigger birds, and finally a bird of prey whose wingspan fills the glass door as it swoops down and takes it without touching the ground. Her other great source of joy is client sessions where someone shares something unexpected that they have done or realised, including a group who told her that the work they did on energy in organisations helped them save 2,000 redundancies. She takes no credit, but loves that the way they worked together opened something up. Roy adds that he loves watching nature outside his windows too, the foxes, pheasants, ants, the occasional hedgehog and, for the first time, a mouse darting out for scraps. Catherine closes by asking whether you can choose joy intentionally today, and do it for someone else, since other people benefit when you do.

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In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what they’re each unlearning. Catherine starts by questioning the premise itself, wondering whether saying “I’m ready to unlearn this” is ever really true, since for her unlearning usually only becomes visible after it’s already happened rather than before. She gives two concrete examples from starting her podcast: she’d developed a slow, deliberate, slightly deeper speaking style from years of running groups and coaching, which worked in that context but put podcast listeners to sleep before the episode ended, forcing her to notice and undo it. She also had to unlearn the conversational habit of building on what someone else was saying, since solo episodes meant there was no one to respond to, and she had to find a different way of carrying a show by herself. Her conclusion is that no one really knows what they need to unlearn until they’re already in the middle of unlearning it. Roy frames his unlearning around belief systems shaped by real-world events: during Ireland’s Celtic Tiger years he believed the government was the best thing going, building roads and hospitals, only to later conclude the opposite. He describes a similar process around 2020, when he had to unlearn the belief that what was being pushed on everyone was actually good for them, piecing it together by bringing on different guests, researchers and scientists and reading extensively, even while facing pushback from people who initially disagreed with him before more of them came around. Catherine adds that she didn’t personally have to unlearn that particular belief, having been raised in a natural health environment with no vaccinations or conventional medicine, so the idea that the body is designed to heal itself was never new to her. But she watched many people around her go through that exact revelation, often as a genuine shock, since they’d been raised to believe the body left alone would simply fall apart, and she makes a point of naming how painful that specific unlearning process actually was for people, rather than pretending it’s easy.

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In this episode, Roy and Catherine share how they actually practice presence day to day. Roy describes his approach as having evolved over the years into appreciating the earth, the sun, and the food grown from both, staying grateful for what sustains him and paying close attention while he’s out walking, enough that he notices when he feels out of sync and knows to step back, take a break, read, or simply stop staring at a computer. He’s not attached to any particular belief system, has friends across many religions, and sees everyone as part of a shared collective regardless of what they individually believe, with presence itself being the real practice rather than any fixed ritual. Catherine agrees and adds that remembering we’re all part of the same collective, no matter our beliefs, is itself a spiritual practice, one she has to actively choose, especially since she lives and works alone much of the time and can start to feel isolated before catching herself and remembering she’s actually connected to everything and everyone. She describes a deliberately playful technique she uses: sitting and telling herself, as if it were true, that nobody likes her, nobody cares, nobody wants to talk to her, and finding that within seconds laughter bubbles up because her body already knows it’s false, which is exactly the point, the exercise snaps her back to what’s actually true rather than what she’s spiraling into. She contrasts this with wallowing in boredom, loneliness, or lack, something everyone gets stuck in sometimes, noting that even her brother used a similar discipline as a kid, cataloguing what’s wrong then deciding what to actually do next. Alongside that mental practice, she names physical daily habits that pull her back into presence: stretching and feeling grateful for having a body, yin yoga, walking, dancing, and simply watching the sunrise or sunset.

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