You're across everything. The problems, the people, the pressure. And somehow, no matter how much you get through, there's always another thing popping up that needs your attention. Sound familiar?

In this episode, Digby explores what it actually means to have a leadership identity and why most leaders are defining theirs by accident, one reactive moment at a time. Drawing on William James's observation that the ability to bring back a wandering attention is the very root of judgement and character, he makes the case that where you direct your focus is not a time management question. It's an identity question.

In this episode, we cover:

• Why reactive leadership is like playing whack-a-mole and what it costs you over time
• The difference between solving problems and building the systems that make fewer problems inevitable
• How to define a leadership identity that guides your decisions before the pressure hits
• A practical exercise to help you name your purpose and start leading from it
• The one question that cuts through the noise: what do you need to build so your team can thrive without you?

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You've built the career. You've hit the milestones, earned the respect, ticked the boxes that once seemed so far away. And yet there's a quiet discomfort underneath it all. Something that's hard to name but hard to ignore. A sense that the achievements are real, and yet something at the heart of it is still missing. I wonder if that feeling is more common among successful leaders than any of us let on.

What if the thing that's missing isn't another goal, a bigger title, or a smarter strategy, but a deeper sense of what your leadership is actually for? In this conversation, Prina Shah and I explore the idea that legacy isn't something you earn at the end of a long career and hand it over at your farewell function. It's something you can build right now, today, with this team, on this project. We also get into what it really means to manage your energy rather than just your time, and what it looks like to step back from heroic leadership and build something that genuinely doesn't depend entirely on you.

Prina Shah is a coach, consultant, trainer, speaker, and the author of Make Work Meaningful: How to Create a Culture That Leaves a Legacy. She's spent years working alongside executives who have achieved extraordinary things, and she asks the question most leaders are too busy to sit with: what's missing from a heart perspective? In this conversation, we explore:

• How to reframe legacy as something you leave every single day, not a footnote reserved for the end of a career
• Why leaders who carry that nagging sense of something missing often haven't yet defined what will actually fulfil them
• How shifting from ambition to meaning changes the quality of decisions you make
• Why managing your energy rather than your time is the more honest path to sustained performance
• How a simple "door framing" practice can keep you genuinely present across a day of back-to-back meetings
• Why becoming the indispensable go-to in your organisation might be the thing quietly holding your team back
• How building a learning culture inside your team creates resilience that doesn't depend on you to sustain it
• Why the question "what important things have no action steps attached to them?" might be the most useful one you haven't been asking

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Reframing Legacy: A Daily Consideration

(05:00) - The Missing Piece: Fulfilment Beyond Achievements

(12:06) - Energy Management: The Key to Effective Leadership

(18:06) - Creating a Learning Culture: Empowering Teams

(25:00) - Breaking the Bottleneck: Trusting Your Team

(32:12) - Redefining Work: Balancing Leadership and Reflection

Other references:

• Make Work Meaningful: How to Create a Culture That Leaves a Legacy — Prina Shah
• Ways to Change Your Workplace Podcast — Prina Shah (host)
• Simon Sinek
• Seth Godin — "work is not working"
• "Becoming the Boss" — Linda A. Hill, Harvard Business Review (January 2007)
• Prina's self-coaching journal

You can find Prina at:

Website: https://www.prinashah.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prinashah/

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Have you ever missed the moment? Something shifted in a conversation or a meeting, and by the time you noticed, you were already playing catch up. In a world that's systematically eroding our capacity for sustained attention, how do we stay genuinely tuned in when it matters most?

This episode introduces a practical framework for sharpening your attention in the room. Drawing on the work of philosopher Simone Weil, who called attention the rarest form of generosity, Digby explores why treating attention as a deliberate leadership practice is one of the most powerful things you can do right now.

In this episode, we cover:

• Why our capacity for sustained attention is under serious pressure and what that means for leaders
• The four lenses of attention: personal, relational, directional, and contextual
• How to read what's happening in a room and respond well when it counts
• Practical ways to apply each lens in your next conversation or meeting
• Three reflection questions to help you identify which lens you lean on and which you tend to neglect

Other references

• Stolen Focus | Johan Hari
• Four Lenses Download
• How to Read the Room Blog version

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What if the friction in your team isn't a strategy problem? What if it isn't a structure problem either? What if it's a conversation you've been avoiding, a truth no one has been willing to name, or simply the widening gap between what gets said in the meeting room and what gets said in the corridor afterwards?

Most leaders invest enormous energy into policy, process, and planning, trusting that the culture will follow. But culture isn't built in documents. It's built in the thousands of conversations happening, or not happening, every single day.

Emma Gibbens is a strategic communications expert, author of Anatomy of Conversation, and someone who has spent her career helping leaders and organisations have the honest, courageous conversations that actually shift things. With a background in international political campaigning across multiple countries and cultures, Emma brings a rare combination of directness and warmth. She understands, from the inside, how conversations can build bridges or quietly erode them and she's passionate about what becomes possible when we stop avoiding what most needs to be said.

In this episode, you'll explore:

• How conversations function as the invisible infrastructure of culture, shaping what's possible long before strategy is ever implemented
• Why the cost of silence can be just as damaging as the cost of brutal honesty, and what leaders consistently underestimate about both
• How to distinguish constructive honesty from brutal honesty, and why the difference lives in intention rather than content
• Why creating a deliberate, structured container for difficult conversations is far more effective than letting them seep into gossip and corridor chatter
• How awareness of power dynamics transforms the conversations you lead, and what stepping out of the content and into the role of host actually looks like
• Why knowing what you want, and preparing your energy, matters as much as anything you say in a difficult conversation
• How fitting in and belonging are not the same thing, and what it takes to build cultures where people bring their full selves

References:

• Brené Brown: Belonging vs Fitting In
• Adam Grant: The "Mount Stupid" Model
• Murmurations (Starlings)
• Georgia Murch Episode
• Oscar Trimboli Episode
• Anatomy of a Conversation | Emma Gibbens
• White Paper | Emma Gibbens

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Conversations as Cultural Infrastructure

(21:24) - Conversations as Core Business Process

(28:45) - Creating a Feedback-Rich Culture

(29:59) - The Role of Conversation Containers

(32:10) - Power Dynamics in Conversations

(40:11) - Resolving Friction Through Conversation

You can find Emma at:

Website: www.emmagibbens.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-gibbens/

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How many leadership books have you read this year? Now here's the harder question: how many hours have you spent genuinely studying the people you lead?

For most leaders, there's a significant gap between those two answers. And that gap, more than almost anything else, explains leadership failure. The best leaders don't just consume content about leadership. They become students of humanity, curious, patient, and unrelenting in their effort to understand what makes people tick.

In this episode, you'll discover why reading the room matters more than reading the latest leadership title, how Harvard researcher Amy Edmondson's work on psychological safety points back to how well leaders understand fear in human beings, and why calibrating yourself is every bit as important as reading others.

You'll walk away with:

• Why the gap between leadership learning and people-studying is costing you and your team
• The two directions of study that every effective leader needs to develop: outward and inward
• What Peter Drucker's landmark Harvard Business Review essay "Managing Oneself" tells us about the rigour of self-knowledge
• A surfing metaphor that reframes what it means to lead with fluency rather than force
• Four practical ideas you can start using today to become a more astute student of the people around you
• The distinction between caring about your people and actually studying them

Whether you're leading a large organisation or a small team, this episode is an invitation to treat the people around you as your greatest source of learning. Because you can't read the room if you don't know how you distort it.

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Have you ever stopped to consider that the image you project as a capable, in-control leader might actually be the very thing keeping your people from truly connecting with you? There's a particular kind of isolation that comes with always having it together. And if you're honest with yourself, I wonder how much energy it costs you to maintain that facade and what it might be costing the people around you too.

What if the shift that changes everything in your leadership isn't about acquiring more knowledge or developing another competency, but about letting go of the performance? This episode is an exploration of what becomes possible when leaders trade the polished, textbook version of themselves for something more real. We dig into the relationship between authenticity and energy, vulnerability and performance, and why learning together with your team might be the most underrated leadership practice available to you right now. What's possible here when you stop trying to be the one with all the answers?

Rita Cincotta is a leadership expert, coach, and consultant with 25 years of experience supporting leaders across Australia. She's the founder of The Deliberate Leader, author of two books on leadership, and is currently pursuing a PhD to rigorously test whether deliberate leadership is genuinely distinct from other leadership approaches. Rita brings rare intellectual depth and disarming human warmth to this conversation and she models everything she talks about, right from the first moment. In this episode, you'll explore:

1. How the image of having it all together can quietly push your people further away
2. Why reconnecting with your purpose as a leader is the source of the energy your team needs from you
3. How a single piece of feedback, being called a "textbook reader" and became a turning point in how Rita led
4. Why psychological safety isn't just a culture initiative, but a daily practice that starts with you
5. How leading with an L plate changes the dynamic between you and your team in profound ways
6. Why balancing empathy with performance becomes easier, not harder, when you lead human first
7. How vulnerability at a senior level creates a ripple effect that lifts the energy of an entire team
8. Why contributing to the learning of others not having the answers is where lasting leadership impact lives

Timestamps:

(00:00) - The Burden of Perception

(10:10) - The Shift to Authenticity

(20:47) - Embracing Vulnerability in Leadership

(26:47) - Human First: Balancing Performance and Empathy

(30:06) - The Messiness of Life and Leadership

(36:39) - Learning Together: The Power of Contribution

Other References

1. You are how you lead | Rita Cincotta
2. Swinburne University of Technology
3. Manaaki Tāngata | Victim Support NZ
4. Home and Away TV Show
5. Mike House Podcast Episode
6. James McCulloch Podcast Episode
7. Deal In Energy Blog
8. Upgrade your Identity Blog
9. Forget Time Management, Master These Disciplines Instead Blog
10. Leading Lasting Impact

You can find Rita at:

Website: https://thedeliberateleader.com.au/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rita-cincotta-80a1263/

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Have you ever left an interaction at work feeling genuinely seen? And when did you last create that feeling for someone else?

Most leaders focus on strategy, capability, and performance. But the ones who build real loyalty, the ones whose people genuinely want to show up for, tend to share something far simpler: they pay attention to the human stuff. The greeting. The name. That moment of genuine connection in an otherwise ordinary day.

This episode starts with a story from an ordinary morning in a coffee shop that stopped me in my tracks. It's a story about two places, two very different choices, and what it reveals about the kind of leader you're choosing to be every single day.

You'll discover why attention, not talent or strategy, is the real currency of trust, how the smallest interactions shape loyalty more than most leaders realise, and why making people feel seen doesn't require anything extraordinary. It just requires intention.

I'll walk you through:

1. Why the difference between a leader people want to follow and one they don't often has nothing to do with skill or resources
2. How a headmaster in a school of 900 kids used one simple practice to shape the people around him
3. The distinction between doing excellent work and giving people your attention — and why both matter
4. Two honest questions to sit with about how seen you make your people feel
5. Why this doesn't need to be big stuff — it just needs to be human stuff

Whether you're leading a large organisation or a small team, this episode is a gentle reminder that the most impactful thing you can do today might take less than thirty seconds.

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What if the strategies gathering dust in your organisation aren't the problem, but rather the shadow strategies everyone's actually following?

You know the ones. The unspoken "work harder, work longer, make more money" approach that contradicts your official commitment to innovation and people-centred leadership. That tension between what you say you're doing and what's actually happening costs more than productivity. It costs truth. And when organisations can't tell themselves the truth about what's really going on, they plateau in ways that feel both frustrating and invisible.

This conversation explores a different way forward, one that honours healthy friction over comfort, embodied wisdom over abstract strategy, and possibility over certainty.

Melissa Clark-Reynolds brings a rare combination of street-smart entrepreneurship and rigorous futures thinking to help leaders navigate complexity with both imagination and pragmatism. Melissa is a street smart futurist who started university at 15, built and sold multiple tech companies, and was awarded the New Zealand Order of Merit for services to the tech sector. She's trained at Stanford's Institute for the Future and the UK's School for International Futures, bringing both rigorous methodology and practical wisdom to her work with organisations navigating uncertain futures.

In this conversation, you'll discover:

1. How to identify the "shadow strategy" your organisation is actually following beneath the official one, and why naming this incongruence is the first step toward real transformation
2. Why living in possibility rather than certainty opens more pathways forward than any five-year plan, and what questions like "I wonder" and "how might we" make possible
3. How embodied strategy reveals truths that spreadsheets and presentations hide, and what happens when teams physically experience the difference between growth, transformation, and collapse
4. Why curiosity combined with commitment to excellence creates the conditions for continuous improvement, rather than the confident mediocrity that keeps organisations stuck
5. How to reframe the past as an empowering platform rather than a weight to escape from, particularly through bicultural and indigenous perspectives on whakapapa and time
6. What it means to find your tribe, the people who challenge you with love and compassion, see something more in you, and give you invitations to greatness rather than comfortable reinforcement
7. Why effective leadership means knowing whether you want to be right or you want to be effective, and how bringing the full triangle of inspirers, doers, planners, and storytellers creates sustainable impact
8. How to embrace your outlierness as a superpower rather than moderating yourself into mediocrity, and why the world needs the juiciness of your weirdness

Other References:

1. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
2. Sohail Inayatullah
3. Jennifer Garvey Berger
4. David Snowden - Cynefin framework
5. Institute for the Future
6. Stanford University
7. School for International Futures
8. Cultivating Leadership
9. Casual Layered Analysis Framework
10. Episode 22 with Jennifer Garvey Berger
11. Episode 26 with Kirsten Patterson
12. Episode 17 with Derek Sivers

Timestamps:

(00:00) - The Power of Healthy Friction

(13:32) - Finding Your Tribe

(20:39) - Embodying Strategy in Organisations

(25:12) - Incongruence in Organisational Strategies

(30:23) - Living in Possibility: Leadership Mindset

(32:27) - Reframing Time: Past, Present, and Future

You can find Melissa at:

Website: https://www.melissaclarkreynolds.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissaclarkr/

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Do you have a network? Of course you do. But is it the one you actually need? For most leaders, the honest answer is probably not — and it's not because you don't care about relationships. It's because you've never thought about them quite this way.

In this episode, I explore why the word "networking" can feel a bit icky, and why that reaction might be costing you the impact you're trying to create. I share a simple but powerful framework for thinking about the nine distinct roles people can play in your network, and why having a balanced set of those relationships, deliberately cultivated, can accelerate your progress and keep you grounded while you do it.

In this episode, you'll discover:

1. Why leaders often resist building networks and what's really behind that resistance
2. The nine distinct roles people can play in your network (and why balance matters)
3. What a "door opener" and a "critical friend" actually look like in practice
4. Why the quality of your relationships, not the size of your network, determines your impact
5. How to start assessing the strength of your own network using a free diagnostic tool

References:

1. Network Diagnostic
2. Mike House Podcast Episode

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What if the moment you're told you've lost your job isn't the time to narrow your focus, but to widen it? When everything in you is screaming to grab control, shore up certainty, and solve the problem immediately, what would it take to do the opposite? To put down your phone, pick up your camera, and walk into the unfamiliar streets of a city that feels both beautiful and unsafe?

This conversation with Dr. Chris McKeown invites us into a different way of understanding leadership under pressure. Chris is both a photographer and an energy consultant—a combination that might seem random until you realise that both practices are about the same thing: knowing where to put your attention, understanding depth of field, and recognising that widening the aperture lets in more light.

When Chris lost his employment contract while sitting in Havana, he didn't rush to fix it. He grabbed his camera and walked. What he discovered wasn't distraction—it was something far more powerful. The neuroscience of awe. The practice of presence. And the recognition that our nervous systems are so jacked up by algorithms, back-to-back Zoom meetings, and the relentless pressure to perform, that we've forgotten how to stop.

Here's what you'll discover:

1. How widening the aperture—literally and metaphorically—helps you lead through uncertainty more effectively than controlling every detail
2. Why forcing yourself to stop isn't a luxury but essential infrastructure for doing hard things as leaders
3. How the anterior cingulate cortex connects awe experiences to empathy, compassion, and the ability to make difficult decisions
4. Why successful CEOs all have "opposite worlds"—creative practices outside work that aren't optional
5. How back-to-back meetings compound stress in your autonomic nervous system in ways your conscious mind doesn't register
6. Why "holding space" for others might be more powerful than solving their problems
7. How Chris's photography creates lasting impact in hospital rooms—and what that teaches us about legacy beyond our presence
8. Why the simple practice of looking up activates the default mode network and changes how you think

Other References

1. The Creative Act: A Way of Being | Rick Rubin
2. The Mindful Body: Thinking Our Way to Chronic Health | Ellen Langer
3. Atomic Habits | James Clear
4. Religion for Atheists: A Non-believer's Guide to the Uses of Religion | Alain de Botton
5. Stolen Focus | Johann Hari
6. Peak Experiences & Hierarchy of Needs | Abraham Maslow
7. Anterior Cingulate Cortex (ACC)
8. Katie Hair Career Coaching
9. Katie Hair Podcast Episode
10. Te Papa Museum
11. Chris’s substack

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Creative Clarity in Old Havana

(08:52) - Widening the Aperture: Leadership Lessons

(14:24) - The Challenge of Attention in Modern Life

(19:45) - The Neuroscience of Awe and Leadership

(23:11) - The Importance of Creative Outlets for Leaders

(36:14) - The Impact of Art and Photography in Healing Spaces

You can find Chris at:

Website: nzenergyconsultants.com

Photography: chrismckeown.photography

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrismckeown/

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