Two and a half million Brits have signed “No to Digital ID.”

Co-host Glen Ocsko — who actually builds public-sector digital — says “about time.”

Jonnie Jensen isn’t convinced. Cost overruns. Scope creep. Breaches. And future governments changing the rules mid-game.

This is a straight-up pub-banter throwdown: does Digital ID make life easier or open the door to abuse?

Can Glen convince Jonnie (and 2.5m others) not to be concerned?

🔥 WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT

Most of us already hand mountains of data to Apple, Google, banks, and the NHS.

But a state-backed Digital ID? That’s different.

Get it wrong and you centralise risk, create a honeypot for hackers, and hand politicians a lever they (or the next lot) could pull for entirely new purposes.

Get it right and you cut fraud, reduce friction, and unlock faster access to services.

This conversation is about power, trust, and how we protect freedom while modernising the rails we all use.

👊 ABOUT GLEN OCSKO

https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenocsko/

Glen Ocsko isn’t just a commentator — he’s been in the trenches of government digital transformation for over 20 years.

He has worked inside and alongside civil service teams on projects most politicians brag about but rarely understand.

When Glen pushes back, it’s not theory — this is his wheelhouse.

🎙️ JUMP TO THE POINT

[00:01] – The spark: 2.5M signatures and why Jonnie’s calling BS

[03:20] – Crowd size memes, AI photos & why facts are losing to vibes

[06:45] – Glen’s case: microservices, not a giant database (and why that matters)

[10:30] – “Voluntary” vs “inevitable”: exclusion fears, phones, and fallback cards

[16:05] – Scope creep & future regimes: can guardrails actually hold?

[21:10] – NHS pain, OneLogin, and the promise of less friction

[28:40] – Estonia, India & lessons from real-world failures

[34:30] – Politics vs policy: dead cats, immigration, and messaging it right

[47:00] – Where Jonnie shifts (a bit): what would make this acceptable

[55:10] – Final take: progress with teeth — or pause until safeguards are real

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