Continuing on the theme of disability and education from Episode 3, this episode features a conversation with disability civil rights activist Alan Holdsworth.

Qudsiya and Alan dive into Alan's work as Director of Disability Equality in Education, a non-profit dedicated to eradicating disability stigma in schools.

Listen to learn how and why disability should fit into the K-12 curricula, fighting disability stigma on college campuses, and the surprising number of U.S. presidents who have been disabled.