Discourse: The Grabbing Back podcast

Discourse: The Grabbing Back podcast

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  • Feminism and Backlash: From Incels to the Catholic Church with Nancy Kelley

    Nancy has spent her career working towards social justice and the realisation of universal human rights in fields ranging from mental health and poverty eradication to refugee protection. Until July she was the CEO of the charity Stonewall and as such worked as part of the movement in the UK and around the world. She is now helping small start up organisations in the same fields.We talked about where the backlash comes from, what the solution is (if any), the historical evidence of backlash against various activist movements and so many more incredibly interesting and timely things.Finally, thank you for coming with us on the journey of listening to our podcast this season. We delved into Money, Nature, the Body and the Home from a feminist lens and we’re so proud of what we produced. If you haven’t, go to our website to read our articles and definitions as well as going back to episodes you may have missed, and if you know anyone that might be interested or benefit from Grabbing Back - send them our way! See you in the next season!


    Resources mentioned

    • Stone Butch Blues by Leslie Feinberg
    • The Feminist Killjoy Handbook by Sara Ahmed 
    • Trans+ History Week
    • 58 min
    • Feminism and Money: The Impact of Unpaid Care with Dr. Mary-Ann Stephenson

      For today's episode, we sat down with Dr. Mary-Ann Stephenson, Director of the Women’s Budget Group, to discuss women and money.

      The UK Women’s Budget Group is the UK’s leading feminist economics think tank that provides evidence and proposes policy alternatives for a gender-equal economy. They are the link between academia, the women’s voluntary sector and progressive economics think tanks.

      In this episode we talk about the financial repercussions of unpaid are, the impact of austerity on gender equality, the flaws of classic economics theory and the importance of reforming our childcare system.

      We also discuss financial abuse, if you'd like to skip this part, it's from minute 30:00 to minute 38:30. 1 in 5 women in the UK experience financial abuse, if you or someone you know needs help, consult the resources on Surviving Economic Abuse.

      Discussed in this episode:

      • Universal Credit and financial abuse: exploring the links
      • A Home of Her Own: Housing and Women
      • Recommended books:

        • Doughnut Economics: Seven Ways to Think Like a 21st-Century Economist by Kate Raworth 
        • Who Cooked Adam Smith's Dinner?: A Story About Women and Economics by Katrine Marcal (Translated by Saskia Vogel)

        • You can find us on our website, instagram and twitter to keep up with new episodes, articles and definitions.

          52 min
        • Feminism and the Home: Women's Invisible Labour with Laura Danger

          On today's episode we are joined by Laura Danger, a licensed educator, certified coach and creator from Chicago who has been teaching and facilitating for over 12 years. Laura, also known by her social media handle as thatdarnchat, uses her incredibly successful social presence to empower overwhelmed caregivers to value their own time and the priceless care labour they provide.


          She popularised the term Weaponised Incompetence (referring to people, mainly men, who deliberately do a task poorly in order to not be asked to do it again) and regularly speaks of domestic labour, sexism and systems of oppression. In this episode, we delve into all of this and the nuances of hyper-individualism, class, intersectionality and feminism within domestic labour and the obsession with the nuclear family.


          Texts discussed:
          -⁠Emotional Labor by Rose Hackman⁠
          -⁠Fair Play by Eve Rodsky⁠
          -⁠How We Show Up by Mia Birdsong⁠
          Texts mentioned:
          -⁠Hood Feminism by Mikki Kendall⁠
          -⁠The Secret History of Home Economics by Danielle Dreilinger


          57 min
        • Feminism and Nature: Ecofeminism in Latin America with Andrea Sempértegui

          On today's episode we're joined by Andrea Sempértegui, Assistant Professor of Politics at Whitman College and a member of the anti-extractive collective Comundisis based in Quito, Ecuador. She focuses on indigenous politics, environmental and feminist movements, struggles over territory and natural resource extraction and decolonial thought in Latin America. Her essays have appeared in the likes of New York Review of Books and Verso. We delve into the importance of women in the climate struggle, the initial logic behind extractivism and what is being done to fight it and why the women leading this fight don't call themselves feminists.


          Andrea is currently working on her book, Earthed Politics: The Mujeres Amazónicas’ Fight against Extractivism in Ecuador.


          Texts mentioned:

          • Feminismos del sur y ecofeminismo by Maristella Svampa
            • Caliban and the Witch by Silvia Federici (you can also find a deep dive explainer on this text on our website here)
            • 57 min
            • Feminism and the Body: Biology meets Philosophy with Talia Mae Bettcher and Julia Serano

              Welcome to Series 2 of Discourse: The Grabbing Back Podcast! We are so excited to be starting this season with such a fantastic episode with guests Julia Serano and Talia Mae Bettcher.

              We discuss, amongst many ideas, the perceptions and readings of our bodies, the cultural specificity of boundaries and how they tend to affect women more than men and how femininity is considered quote-unquote artificial in a similar way to transness, and how dangerous that can be.

              Trigger warnings: transphobia and sexual assault.

              Talia is an expert on feminist philosophy, transgender studies and philosphy of personhood. She’s a professor at California State University and her upcoming book is Intimacy and Illusion: An Essay in Trans Philosophy. Julia is a writer, performer, activist, musician and biologist, she is best known for her book Whipping Girl and her upcoming book is titled Sexed Up: How Society Sexualises us and how we can Fight Back.


              Texts mentioned and discussed:

              • Full‐Frontal Morality: The Naked Truth about Gender by Talia Mae Bettcher (2012)
              • Playfulness, World-Travelling and Loving Perception by Maria Lugones (1987)
              • What Does it Cost to Tell the Truth by Riki Anne Wilchins (1997)
              • Homogenizing Versus Holistic Views of Gender and Sexuality by Julia Serano - Chapter 13 of Excluded (2013)
              • The Difference Sameness Makes: Objectification, Sex Work, and Queerness by Ann J. Cahill

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                1 hr 4 min
              • Feminism and Socialism with Sheila Rowbotham

                Renowned feminist, activist, historian and theorist who has been key int bringing female voice into visible history. A life long activist, she has campaigned on issues from unionising women, abortion, nurseries and the Vietnam War and has always been an advocate for grass roots activism.

                She helped to make the phrase “the personal is political” popular. She is best known her contributions the Women’s Liberation Movement, which drove feminism in the 1970s and brought us feminism as we know it today.

                Her book, Daring to Hope,  which we discuss in this episode, is a memoir of her life during that decade. From organising the first Women's Liberation Movement conerence to heartbreak. 

                We talk about some of her biggest feminist influences, her start in feminist movements, her best advice to young feminists and how we can come together in our struggles. 

                Book recommendations

                • Daring to Hope by Sheila Rowbotham
                • Promise of a Dream by Sheila Rowbotham
                • Misbehaving: Stories of Protest Against the Miss World Contest and the Beauty Industry 
                • 57 min
                • Explaining Intersectionality through Kimberlé Crenshaw

                  This month we are delving into and explaining Intersectional Theory through the lens of Kimberlé Crenshaw, the American civil rights advocate and leading scholar who introduced it. Last month we considered how the concept of ‘intersectionality’ has deep roots. This month we’re narrowing down and getting really specific about the term ‘intersectionality’ as defined by the woman who coined it. The term is widely used now, but had quite a specific meaning when Crenshaw introduced it as a framework within legal theory.

                  Our guest this month is Katie, who is actually an integral part of our team at Grabbing Back. She is our article editor, studied Archeology and Philosophy at university and will be starting her Masters in Philosophy in September. She wrote our article this month so be sure to check it out on our website. 

                  Reading list:

                  Demarginalizing the Intersection of Race and Sex: A Black Feminist Critique of Antidiscrimination Doctrine, Feminist Theory and Antiracist Politics (1989) by Kimberlé Crenshaw

                  58 min
                • Extracts on the roots of Intersectional Feminism (Part 3)

                  This month we are focusing on the Roots of Intersectionality and instead of one big conversation, we wanted to really reflect the diversity of voices and opinions that emerged with early African American feminists.

                  We have picked six extracts of text by some writers of the time, and invited on six guests to share their reflections on them. There’s so much richness of thought here and so we’ve divided this month’s episode into three mini episodes, so you can reflect on different pieces in your own time.

                  This (part 3) looks at an extract from Angelina Weld Grimke’s lesbian love poetry, and our second extract from Audre Lorde’s ‘Sister Outsider’.

                  • Angelina Weld Grimke was a teacher, poet and playwright, working in the first half of the 20th century. She is far less well known than the other authors we have explored in these podcasts,and there is limited information about her life. However, we know she was mixed race, and race was an important theme in her work, especially as she was one of the first women of colour to have her play performed in America. Her work also explores her suppressed sexual identity, and our extract is taken from the poem Rosabella, one of her lesbian love poems. Reflecting on this is Amu.
                  • As mentioned above Audre Lorde was a black, lesbian feminist activist. Our second extract from her works is also taken from ‘Sister Outsider’, but is an extract taken from the speech ‘Lessons from the 1960s’, which she delivered at Havard University in 1982. This speech looks to the future, and all marginalised and oppressed identities allying together to fight the oppression each community experiences both individually and collectively. Reflecting on this speech is Chi Chi x.
                  • A quick note to apologise for the audio quality in this part, we had some recording issues but we hope you can still enjoy the reflections from Amu and Chi Chi. 

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                    22 min
                  • Extracts on the roots of Intersectional Feminism (Part 2)

                    This month we are focusing on the Roots of Intersectionality and instead of one big conversation, we wanted to really reflect the diversity of voices and opinions that emerged with early African American feminists.

                    We have picked six extracts of text by some writers of the time, and invited on six guests to share their reflections on them. There’s so much richness of thought here and so we’ve divided this month’s episode into three mini episodes, so you can reflect on different pieces in your own time.

                    This (part 2) looks at extracts from bell hooks’ ‘Ain’t i a woman? Black Women and Feminism’ and from Audre Lorde’s ‘Sister Outsider’.

                    • bell hooks is the pen name for Gloria Watkins, who was an American academic and social activist. She was prolific writer, and most of her works looked at the intersecting oppression caused by systems of race, gender and capitalism. ‘Ain’t i a woman?’ is a history of racism and sexism against black women, focusing on the specific misogyny faced by enslaved black women, and the historical legacy this left on black womanhood. The extract in the podcast reflects on why black woman did not get involved in the white feminist movement. Reflecting on this is Sophie Lewis, who is currently doing an MA at SOAS.
                    • Audre Lorde was an academic and activist, but is perhaps most well known as a poet who tackled issues of racism, sexism, ablism and homophobia in her work. She described herself as "black, lesbian, mother, warrior, poet”. The podcast looks at one of her prose works, ‘Sister Outsider’ which is a collection of essays and speeches from her activism, published in 1984. The extract is taken from ‘Your silence will not protect you’ which argues for the importance of marginalised and oppressed communities to speak out. Reflecting on this is Jess Leigh.
                    • In her reflection, Jess mentions some cases of violence against women, including Sandra Bland, Kathryn Johnstone, Breonna Taylor. If you are unfamiliar with these cases, but would like to know more here are some links you can check out:
                    • https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/07/sandra-bland-video-footage-arrest-death-police-custody-latest-news

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kathryn_Johnston

                      https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

                      Trigger warnings: violence against women and racial violence.


                      Contact us:

                      We’d love to get your feedback so do email us at [email protected] or drop us a DM on socials. 

                      Twitter and Instagram: @grabbing_back

                      27 min
                    • Extracts on the roots of Intersectional Feminism (Part 1)

                      This month we are focusing on the Roots of Intersectionality and instead of one big conversation, we wanted to really reflect the diversity of voices and opinions that emerged with early African American feminists. 

                      We have picked six extracts of text by some writers of the time, and invited on six guests to share their reflections on them. There’s so much richness of thought here and so we’ve divided this month’s episode into three mini episodes, so you can reflect on different pieces in your own time. 

                      This (part 1) reflects on extracts from the Combahee River Collective Statement and Angela Davis’ book ‘Women, race and class’.

                      • The Combahee River Collective were a Black feminist lesbian collective, with socialist roots, who were active in Boston in the 1970s. They were vital in pushing the white feminist movement, and the Civil Right Movement, to recognise the specific needs of Black women, especially Black lesbians. The extract in the podcast grapples with the idea of multiple identities leading to multiple oppressions, and reflecting on this is Anna Spence, one of the team here at Grabbing Back.
                      • Angela Davis is a radical African American academic and activist, who has been engaged in fighting racial injustice since the 1960s. She has written ten books, but our extract is taken from her first work, which is a history of the racial inequality in the feminist movement and women’s experiences from the abolition of slavery to the 1980s. The extract in the podcast examines the gendered roles that emerged for enslaved women as a result of white oppression and violence. Reflecting on this is Honesty, who works at the Runneymede Trust.
                      • Trigger warnings for this episode: Includes discussion of experiences of sexual harassment and the physical and sexual violence and abuse suffered by enslaved people.

                        30 min

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