Clausell Mathis of Tallahassee, FL, a frequent caller on The Jesse Lee Peterson Show http://jlptalk.com joins James to discuss disagreements about Black Lives Matter, "racism," etc.

Clausell says Jesse helped him realize he needed to stop blaming others for his problems, but take responsibility. He admires Jesse for his work at BOND, a 28-years-running nonprofit dedicated to "Rebuilding the family by rebuilding the man" http://rebuildingtheman.com But he accuses Jesse of being a "shock jock," supposedly saying outrageous things that aren't true just to get ratings. James reminds him Jesse helped him get his life more on track. People support Jesse because he tells the truth that helps all people

Clausell disagrees that Trayvon Martin was a thug, that "racism" doesn't exist, that Black Lives Matter is worse than the KKK, and other true statements.

James points out Trayvon was caught with a "burglary tool" (screwdriver) and women's jewelry in his backpack, having tagged graffiti on a school door, was suspended for fighting, photographed himself smoking marijuana, holding a gun, wearing a "grill" (gold teeth) and calling himself "No Limit Nigga" on social media. The Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Juice he bought are ingredients to make the drug cocktail "lean." There had been burglaries in the area. The eye-witness said he was grounding-and-pounding George Zimmerman; Trayvon allegedly said "You're gonna die tonight," and his girlfriend (to whom he called George a "creepy-ass cracka") seemed to indicate he doubled back and she believed he threw the first punch. Contrary to the edited NBC recording of the police call, George actually said "Okay" when told he didn't need to follow Trayvon; so he said he returned to his truck. George shot Trayvon in self-defense. But Clausell insists Trayvon was not a "thug" since he wasn't convicted of any crimes. James said that he should have been in jail, in which case he'd be alive today, but the school resource officer let him off due to phony liberal leniency.

A caller Patrick points out Clausell is dishonest and changing the definition of "thug" to being someone convicted of a crime. James points out many thugs get away with the crimes they commit, and so are never convicted.

Another caller KT said that blacks and whites both do wrong, but blacks blame it on "racism" and excuse it.

James also defended the right to discriminate (free association) — Clausell took issue with Jesse saying that people don't want to hire blacks, and especially not people with "black-sounding" names. James said that black disproportionately cry "racism" on employers when fired — they often file EEOC complaints. Clausell said that most blacks are not criminals, thugs, etc., but nobody said they were. But most blacks believe in "racism" and 96% voted for Obama. Clausell says most are hardworking and not lazy.

James points out that Clausell doesn't come across as a serious person — he's just in denial, and softens the hard truth, laughs at what James and Jesse say, and accuses us of "lying."

Clausell accuses James of calling Black Lives Matter "terrorists" but that's not what James nor Jesse say. He also thinks the Ferguson Effect is ridiculous, even thought it's true. http://thehakereport.com

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