Members of the clergy face a uniquely precarious challenge during times of peril. The church is so often where people who are confused, frustrated, in pain and in need of refuge turn for help and counsel. America currently faces a moment of history marked with racial tumult, so how will clergy members choose to wield the power of the pulpit?

Join Reverend Dr. TLC and her guest, Reverend Shannon White as they discuss the pressures of having a platform during times of uncertainty and the challenges of confronting the topic of race with congregations of various demographics.

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Rev. Dr. TLC begins the show encouraging us to center ourselves and to breathe. Rev. Dr. TLC introduces her guest Reverend Shannon White. Shannon has been a minister for over 30 years. She has served in four congregations in NY and CT. Shannon has been a TV reporter for nine years receiving Emmy nominations along with other accolades. Currently Shannon is training with Hoffman institute to be a teacher. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Shannon how she grounds herself when trying to get through stressful days? Shannon talks about being introduced by the Hoffman institute to the ideology that you look at yourself as a quandinity. She adds there is your emotional self, intellectual self, body, and your truest form your spiritual self. Shannon takes the time to check in with each one of these pieces to ensure she stays grounded throughout the day. She also mentions that prayer and meditation helps as well. Shannon talks about tapping into those areas and how it helps ease the flow of conversation on race. She adds it’s beneficial to not be reactive.

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After the break Rev. Dr. TLC and Shannon discuss how Shannon got involved in race related issues. Shannon talks about moving to Japan for a year after graduation to teach English. She shared her experience feeling like “the other''. She said she finally saw what it was like to be treated solely based on your race and how you look. Shannon talked about coming back to America and getting involved in wealthy whte churches. She would take people from safe environments and get them out of their comfort zone. Shannon would get them to volunteer with the homeless and other charity works. Shannon talks about traveling outside of America as a way of getting out of her own comfort zone. Before the break, Dr. Rev. TLC and Shannon discussed times shannons stories weren’t positively received from the congregation. Stating that her sermons at times were too political. 

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After the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and Shannon discuss the times Shannon’s sermons weren’t received well by some members of her church and the events leading after. Rev. Dr. TLC and Shannon discuss the common concerns within the church community when preaching sensitive topics like race. Shannon shared the effects and worries that occur when gratuitous donors decide to part ways due to “political sermons”. Shannon talks about relying on her faith during those times. She understands the fears churches experience when losing big donors but she also adds that can’t be the only concern. Before the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and Shannon begin to talk about how religion , specifically Christianity, perpetuates white supremacy. 

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Coming back from the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and Shannon continue the conversation on how the church keeps white supremacy alive. Shannon talks about the patterns of white sermons and how they are seen as happy and positive. She mentions that Christian theology focuses on individual sin and salvation. Rev. Dr. TLC notes that many POC clergy preach liberation theology. She talks about how black churches have to uplift their people. The segment ends with a blessing from Reverend Shannon White.

As we learned after the nationwide reaction following the murder of George Floyd last year, it often takes a substantial wake up call for people to recognize the experiences of people outside of their communities. It took a deadly pandemic and the circulation of gruesome and disturbing footage to create the uproar that resulted in unprecedented accountability for the police officer who committed murder.

Gabe Nelson’s awakening took place in his own home, after his daughter came back from her liberal college talking about race. This new topic of conversation was out of his comfort zone but admittedly stretched his thinking in a meaningful way.

Join Rev. Dr. TLC and Gabe as they discuss his evolving awareness of race, specifically around the mistreated Native Americans in his state of residence, South Dakota, and the transformational effects of committing to fostering mindful consciousness.

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Rev. Dr. TLC begins the show with a spiritual breathing. It’s to remind us that we are greater than life itself. It helps center us for this dynamic conversion on dismantling racism. Rev. Dr. TLC talks about how her guest, Gabe Nelson began to wake up even more around the conversation of race because of a discussion with his teenage daughter. Gabe Nelson is a financial advisor to “solopreneurs” and self-employed individuals. He helps business owners navigate the market and teaches how to budget their business. Gabe is the host of Solopreneur Money Podcast. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Gabe what practices are used to keep himself grounded. Gabe shares his morning routine, starting his day at 5 AM to exercise and meditate. He follows his mediation with a 20-30 minute reading session of various works. Before getting to the office and journaling, Gabe likes to make breakfast for his family to start their morning. He adds that having this daily routine helps clear his head and prepare him for his day.

Before the break, Gabe talks about his awakening. He expresses his ignorance to white privilege until having a profound conversation with his daughter during the light of George Floyd. Gabe admitted that it was a hard pill to take. Hearing from his daughters that he is a privileged man when he perceived himself as a self-made man caused tension. It wasn’t until his children made him aware of the obstacles that were removed from his path by the system.

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Coming back from the back, Rev. Dr. TLC and Gabe continue their discussion on white privilege. Gabe gives a personal perspective of his experience growing up in rural America. Rev. Dr. TLC challenges Gabe on his perspective. She pushes for clarification and understanding on the lack of speaking up. Gabe shares insight on being more aware of social injustice as a white person. At first he fails to see how his business can help dismantle racism. He asks Rev. Dr. TLC what he can do as a white man to help change the system. Rev. Dr. TLC suggests talking about race with his colleagues and friends. She also adds to support black owned businesses. 

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Coming back from the break, Gabe talks about being a supporter for female business owners. He made the connection to being a father of three daughters which can be why the majority of his clients are female contractors. He makes a point to add that he doesn't seek to exclude people of color from his business consciously, rather his clients come to him. Rev. Dr. TLC wanted Gabe to ask himself why that is the case. She adds that people of color put themselves in uncomfortable spaces daily. It can be reading popular novels from western history or even attending schools that are predominately white. She says it is important for non-blacks to put themselves in uncomfortable spaces in order to reach change and understanding.

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After the break, Rev. Dr. TLC asks Gabe how he will take this conversation to his friends and colleagues? She acknowledges the sacrifices that are made when topics like this come up. We sacrifice friendships, time, and business in order to engage in this discussion and make the world a better place. Before the end of the segment Gabe shares how he can use his privilege and platform to uplift people of color. He says employing people of color and giving them a voice on his podcasts are just some of the few ways that can make a difference.

We are living in a new world in which virtually any knowledge is at our fingertips. The age of technology has completely revolutionized our daily lives, but specifically how we absorb information and stay updated on current events. This means that the way racism is viewed has been transformed as has the perspective on how to tackle it.

Join Reverend Dr. TLC and her guests, Ruby Avery and Sage Fortune, to discuss racism from the 'GenZennial' perspective, the impact of the HBCU experience, and how young people have been impacted by growing up with the internet’s graphic, over-saturation of violence against black and brown people.

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Reverend Dr. TLC starts the show with introducing her guests, daughter, Ruby Avery, and goddaughter, Sage Fortune. Ruby Avery is a senior at Howard University studying Public Relations and Spanish. Ruby is from Bristol, CT which is a predominantly white neighborhood.  Sage Fortune is an actress who graduated from Howard University. She is originally from Long Island, NY. She grew up in a diverse neighborhood where her community was predominantly black. Rev. Dr. TLC asks her guests what sacred practices they have to remain grounded and focused. Ruby spoke on the difficulties to stay grounded but how journaling, mediation, coffee and prayer are ways she uses to center herself. Sage talks about discovering yoga and using therapy as a way to escape. 

Before the break, Rev. Dr. TLC and her guests discuss the aftermath of George Floyd’s death. Sage mentioned how she was almost jaded because she was so accustomed to the brutality that black people have faced throughout the years. She noticed how non-blacks were forced to pay attention due to the pandemic. She had old colleagues and acquaintances reaching out; concerned about her wellbeing. Sage described it as almost being an overwhelming experience.  

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After the break, Avery shared her experience during the BLM protests. She talked about BLM  being her first protest and how emotional it was to see her once racially insensitive childhood classmates chanting and marching for the same cause. Avery also mentioned how she is a part of an organization, Public Relations Student Society of America, that developed a panel series, Elephant in the Room. The series talked about racial issues and microaggressions in all industries from sports to healthcare. Before the break, Avery went on to talk about the microaggressions she’s experienced throughout her life from a young age. Despite being highly involved in her school and classes she continued to feel like the token black kid in high school. Attending an HBCU was really what cracked Avery’s shell. 

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After the break, Sage talks about growing up in a diverse neighborhood in Long Island, NY. She didn't experience the same racial tension Avery experienced. Sage doesn’t question that it happened in her neighborhood but because she was more of an introvert she didn't experience those awkward interactions. Sage also praises Howard for helping her come out of her shell. Avery and Sage discussed the benefits of attending a HBCU. They talk about the guidance and support they receive from allum. 

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After the break, Rev. Dr. TLC asks her guests how their experience with an HBCU has prepared them for life after college. Avery and Sage share about finding their confidence and individuality. They talk about becoming comfortable with yourself so you’re able to venture into other spaces. Attending Howard University gave Avery and Sage the voice they needed to help others find their identity and purpose. 

In 1925, Langston Hughes published the poem “I, Too, Sing America,” eloquently putting into words the yearning for equality by many people who are black. While many things have changed, inequalities abound. For black and brown communities the realities of these inequalities must be juxtaposed with the strength, beauty, and brilliance of their culture. How does one navigate such a society? How does one instill hope for brighter tomorrows and claim their place in America?

Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she talks with Councilman Kevin Booker and Schercitha Miller, his mother, as they share the joys, complexities, and sometimes painful experiences of living in America. Their strong family legacy of social justice is the bedrock for their commitment to serve, uplift, and empower all people, in general, but Black Indigenous People of Color, in particular. You don’t want to miss this dynamic mother-son duo as they share their personal and professional experiences with dismantling racism.

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Segment 1

Terrlyn starts the show with a spiritual breathing exercise. She goes on to break down the meaning of the title of the episode, I, Too, Sing in America. Terrlyn talks about seeing her guest, Councilman Kevin Booker Jr. at a Black Lives Matter rally and hearing him recite the poem of the same name. She shared how his words uplifted the people who wanted to know how to dismantle racism. Terrlyn introduced her guest Councilman Booker Jr and his mother, recurring guest, Schercitha Miller.

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After the break, Councilman Booker Jr. shared more on what grounds him. He talks about engaging in yoga and becoming a certified instructor over a three month journey with other people of color. Mrs. Miller shared her experience with raising black children and how she felt responsible to prepare them to be educated and independent. Councilman Booker Jr. added an example of how his mother taught him to take the city bus alone to school by age six. He talked about growing up with a strict mother and how it shaped him as a man.

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After the break, Terrlyn talks a little about Councilman Booker Jr.’s biography. She mentioned how he knew from a young age he wanted to commit his life to social justice. Councilman Booker Jr. shares where his motivation derived from and what experiences in middle school helped shape him into the man he is today. Mrs. Miller adds how she gives back and how she instilled those values in her children.

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After the break, Councilman Booker Jr. discusses the sacrifices he’s made committing his life to social justice. He shares how he’s sacrificed financial opportunities and having a family because he is dedicated to make sure he can uplift and inform his community. At the end of the segment, Terrlyn and Councilman Booker Jr. talk about tools that can help create more awareness for local government around our youth in these racial tension times. Councilman Booker Jr. recites I, Too, Sing in America poem before ending the segment.

Educational disparities are not a surprise to any of our listeners. What might be a surprise to some are the obstacles that many face. Not only underfunded schools and poor understanding of what it means to work with BIPOC children but the day to day assault and microaggressions that come from the school system itself.

Join Rev. Dr. TLC and her guest, Dr. Marilyn Easter, as they discuss racial challenges for black and brown students such as being told they are not college material.

Dr. Easter discusses her book Resilience: Bravery in the Face of Racism, Corruption, and Privilege in the Halls of Academia. In it she reveals how these challenges start very early on for students of color and journey throughout their academic career. Sadly, it does not stop after graduation.

Dr. Easter also provides insight into the plight of BIPOC faculty on the road to tenure. We hope you'll join us.

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Terrlyn starts the show with breathing exercises. She introduces her guest, Dr. Marilyn Easter. Dr. E, as she’s known to some, has a plethora of honors and awards. She is the founder of Goal Program which was designed to build a community and support systems for minority students. Dr. E talks about how she uses her strong belief in God and herself as a way to be one with the sacred and divine. Before the break Dr. E discusses her book, Resilience: Bravery in the Face of Racism, Corruption, and Privilege in the halls of Academia. She goes into detail about the main character Emma and how to overcome the micro aggression in her life.

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After the break, Dr. E breaks down some of the microaggressions that are seen in the education system. She mentions examples; having minority students or students of color sit in the back because you believe they don’t want to be there, Not calling on the student that consistently raises their hand, A professor calling on a student, student of color specifically, knowing they don’t have the answer to “wake the student up” or to prove they should have studied harder are all aggressive tactics. Dr. E talks about first generation students that deal with racism in the classroom. She mentions how many of those students may not have families that can help them do the work in college. Parents depend on a system to help their black child but the system is against them. She also talks about the obstacles many students of color face in their personal life that can affect how they retain the material. Before the break, Terrlyn and Dr. E made the connection back to Dr. E’s book and the main character, Emma, relates to underrepresented students of color.

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After the break, Dr. E continues to share her experience as a black business professor and how the micro aggressions have affected her students. She talks about being a professor for over 30 years and how the expectation for students of color is consistently low. Dr. E talks about her colleagues having low standards for students of color and candidly engaging in biased conversation about those students. Dr. E talks candidly about her colleagues' biases because “it’s real. She does everything she can to call it out, point it out, do something about it. Terrlyn then shifts the conversation to Dr. E’s background. She talks about Dr. E being the first female black professor at her college in 97+ years, and how the experience has not been easy for her.

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After the break, Terrlyn and Dr. E discussed a little more on the lack of representation in the academic community. Dr. E also mentions how it took 20 years of getting denied to finally make it on the committee to recruit professors.  

Towards the end of the segment Dr. E gives her tip for professors to uplift students. She advises professors to look around the world and see the negativity and find a way to have a positive imprint on ALL students. Professors need to get back to the basics and do what they pledged to do, educate and not leave any student behind. Make sure all your students are valued. Encourage children and let them know they have a support system. Dr. E advises students to talk to their counselors and teachers not to depend on people to hand it to you, demand what you want.

In 1925, Langston Hughes published the poem “I, Too, Sing America,” eloquently putting into words the yearning for equality by many people who are black. While many things have changed, inequalities abound. For black and brown communities the realities of these inequalities must be juxtaposed with the strength, beauty, and brilliance of their culture. How does one navigate such a society? How does one instill hope for brighter tomorrows and claim their place in America?

Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she talks with Schercitha Miller, as they share the joys, complexities, and sometimes painful experiences of living in America. Their strong family legacy of social justice is the bedrock for their commitment to serve, uplift, and empower all people, in general, but Black Indigenous People of Color, in particular. You don’t want to miss this dynamic mother-son duo as they share their personal and professional experiences with dismantling racism.

Tune in for this important conversation at TalkRadio.nyc or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

Segment 1

Terrlyn begins the show with breathing exercises. Reminding us to breathe and to become conscious of our breathing. This helps us to center and focus. Breath in unity and breath out division. Breath in awareness and breathe out our ignorance. Acknowledge that you are enough. Terrlyn starts the discussion by defining internalized racism. She defines it as when a POC values skin that is lighter over skin that is darker. When you believe white culture is superior to all other cultures. She also connects this to the commonly used term colorism. She points out the effects that colorism has had on Hollywood and the black community. Terrlyn introduced her guest Scheritcha Miller. Miller has been in the healthcare industry for over 42 years. She has her masters in healthcare administration as well as Management and Leadership. Right now she is working on getting her doctorate. Miller goes to talk about her experiences with colorism. She shared stories about how strangers and family have been the cause of her trauma and internalized self-hate. Miller talked about how her mother would give her bleach baths and her cousins would discourage her from aiming high in her career because of her darker complexion.

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After the break, Miller shared more about her experience growing up with a darker complexion and the bullying she endured. She found herself not knowing her self-worth. She was surrounded by girls who were treated as though they looked more beautiful because of their looser curled hair or lighter skin. She mentioned that it wasn’t until she had children of her own that she was able to acknowledge her beauty and self-worth. Miller also talked about forgiving her mother for how she treated her growing up. Terrlyn added how it is healthy to forgive older generations for the lack of knowledge and awareness.

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After the break Miller talks about how being darker affected her romantic relationships throughout her life. Miller recalls several times her ex-husband would insult her out of anger, calling her things like “monkey”. Miller shared how these instances would affect and compound her own poor sense of self. Terrlyn and Miller talked about love yourself and knowing your worth in order to not be affected by the hate that is inflicted on us.

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Coming back from the break, Terrlyn asks Miller what would she say to encourage people who were victims of colorism and their families? Miller encourages parents to embrace their children for who they are. As an employer, Miller suggests not to judge people by the color of their skin or even name. She encourages employers to get to know their possible employees for who they are. Towards the end of the show Terrlyn asked her audience if there’s a difference between a black male vs. a black female in their daily life or professional life.

Racism is insidious, and its impact can be deadly for people of color, emotionally, mentally, physically, and spiritually. Contributing to this demise is the stress that comes from the daily mental maneuvers of dealing with racism and the plethora of health related disparities in the black and brown communities. The strain of racism can kill the soul, but healing is possible.

Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she talks with Business Coach, Bea Baylor, who shares how the stress of racism contributed to her experience with Broken Heart Syndrome, a heart condition brought on by stress. In this episode, Bea will share her journey of awakening and healing which began with gripping pain and a trip to the ER and, eventually, to living a nomadic life. 

Bea says it is possible for people of color to heal from racism, and it begins with healing the soul. Don’t miss this powerful episode. Let’s heal the wounds of racism!

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Rev. Dr. Terryln starts the show off with a breathing exercise. Invites the audience to breathe in healing and breathe out stress. She goes on to introduce her guest for the morning, Bea Bayor. Bea Bayor is a dynamic power house of a woman that loves connecting other powerful women and entrepreneurs. She coaches women who are interested in standing in their power. Bea is a serial entrepreneur and author of Rise Up: Take Charge. Overcome. Succeed. Before the break, Bea mentioned the stress of 2020 on people of color should be followed by soul healing. Bea shares the trauma she experienced this past year that led to BHS. She defines Broken Heart Syndrome as people who suffer stress or worry hold on to grief and emotions which impacts the heart. Bea was so overwhelmed and preoccupied helping others that she ignored the signs and didn’t reach out for help.

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After the break, Terryn and Bea continue the conversation about racial trauma that led to Bea’s broken heart. A lot of the media last year focused on the racial tension and violence towards black men. Bea mentions that she may have had COVID in december 2019. The symptoms were there; shortness of breath, sweats, chest pains. Bea had to turn CNN off in order to get through the day. Her life was spiralling out of control. She was overwhelmed with other people’s problems and taking on more and more. The emotional impact of all of those disparities took a toll on Bea. She talks about being in the middle of a major heart attack and ignoring the signs. Rev. Dr. Terrlyn interjects and explains why it is important to pay attention to our bodies. Before the break, Bea talks about her fear of treatment in the hospital. She talked about being concerned about the possibility of mistreatment or misinformation because she was a woman of color. Terrlyn talks about data that confirms that black Americans are poorly treated in the medical industry which adds on to the daily stress that is followed.

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Back from the break, Terryln and Bea talk about Bea’s treatment in the hospital. Bea was transferred to a heart hospital after several tests. Things turned around because Bea had a family member who was a doctor who was affiliated with the facility. Mentioning that she only got the top notch treatment she received because she knew someone on the inside. Prior to his interventions Bea did not feel she was treated with the same care or attention. As a nurse she knew the system and routines and noticed some procedures were being missed. Terryln says another way we can dismantle racism is if people become aware of the disparities that people of color deal with concerning their health. Often their symptoms go undiagnosed, leading to a belief that their systems are hardier, and that they can withstand the pain.

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Returning from the break, Bea goes into the importance of mental health and professional therapy, citing it as one of the most important aspects of living a healthy balanced life. She shares how her performing of daily soul healing affirmations helps her to ground herself in the present and remind her how much she truly loves herself. Bea shares her journey to reaching and coming back in touch with her own heart and emotions. She decided to buy an RV and live a nomadic life, reconnecting with herself and giving her the time for soulful self reflection. This change in her life was brought on after a startling heart attack, this gave Bea the motivation to get in touch with herself and seek out healing for her soul. She advises that despite whatever relationships listeners feel they may have with their personal higher power, that the nurturing and attention payed to this relationship is what will best facilitate an individual’s growth and personal fulfilment, something Bea feels is unfortunately lacking within the black community.

The idea of dismantling racism can be overwhelming and complicated. The sudden attention to the topic in 2020 stopped some people in their tracks. Fear, doubt, shame, and guilt were just a few of the emotions that surfaced, especially for people who already believed that they “treated all people the same.” How do we move people from overwhelm to action? We answer some of this question and more in our next episode of Dismantle Racism.

Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she talks with Jeannie Spiro, Business Coach and Strategist, about the steps she’s taken to engage in the work of dismantling racism. Jeannie will share how she became more intentional in her actions both personally and professionally. Listen in as she describes the emotions, insights, and self-reflections that have helped her to become more racially conscious and how her transformation changed her thinking and actions.

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The first segment opens with Rev Dr Terrlyn reintroducing the show and today's guest. On today's show we welcome Jeannie Spiro, business coach and strategist, as she talks about the steps she's taken to engage in the work of dismantling racism. Jeannie will share how she became more intentional in her actions both personally and professionally. Listen in as she describes the emotions, insights, and self-reflections that have helped her to become more racially conscious and how her transformation changed her thinking and actions. Jeannie and Rev Dr Terrlyn discuss their very connected past in the work of dismantling racism. Rev Dr Terrlyn says in order to manifest our greatness we need to become connected to the sacred. Whatever that may be for you. Jeannie affirms Rev Dr Terrlyn’s findings and says that was the biggest obstacle for her to overcome when trying to empower herself to do more in the work of dismantling racism.

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The second segment starts with the show coming back up from break. Rev Dr Terrlyn brings the conversation to Jeannie’s initial response to the riots and muder of George Floyd last summer. Jeannie says she took a break from social media to reflect on her own personal role in activism. Jeannie explains that the first step was examining her own inclusivity in her life and business. She then went to Rev Dr Terrlyn for guidance and advice on what she could be doing in her life to apply her skills in business to become a true activist. Rev Dr Terrlyn says it all begins with a conversation. Asking yourself what we could be doing in our business and communities.

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The third segment starts with the show coming back up from break. The conversation gets picked up with Jeannie discussing the time she took to self reflect. She brings questions up like who are you hanging out with?, what people do you talk to?, are you truly being inclusive?. Rev Dr Terrlyn says that we have to understand that dismantling racism isn't about going out and marching the streets everyday. Sometimes it's just a conversation. A conversation with your peers, forcing the uncomfortable to become comfortable. Making the normal topic of conversation being held about race and understanding the other.

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The final segment starts with a conversation about what Jeannie has learned in her efforts to dismantle racism. Jeannie says that one of the things she has learned is to become connected and aware of women of color business owners. Jeannie says that this unconscious bias was a big obstacle to get over, but once she did it allowed her to grow the deepest business relationships she ever had. The conversation wraps up with Rev Dr Terrlyn saying you should really take a look around you and think how you could effect change in dismantling racism.

Videos capturing everyday indignities and injury toward Black or Brown consumers have become media staples, showing the complexity, risk, and traumas many shoppers encounter in retail, restaurants, and other marketplaces. But each one quickly fades in the media spotlight.

Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she talks with Dr. Michelle Dunlap, author of Retail Racism: Shopping While Black and Brown in America. Dr. Dunlap shares with our audience the experience of Black and Brown people as they navigate this reality. 

Based on 19 in-depth interviews with consumers across the country, Dr. Dunlap’s goal is to empower us to interrupt, disrupt, and ameliorate the inappropriate and racialized handling of consumers in America today. Retail Racism is about not only shopping, but also humane living in America, including surviving and making sense of inequitable experiences, what to do about them, and the larger issues and contexts that surround the marketplace for Black and Brown people.

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The first segment opens with Rev Dr Terrlyn reintroducing the show and introducing today's guest. On this week's show we welcome Dr. Michelle Dunlap, author of Retail Racism: Shopping While Black and Brown in America. Dr. Dunlap shares with our audience the experience of black and brown people as they navigate this reality. Today Dr. Dunlap will share what she has found in her research with 19 in-depth interviews with consumers across the country. Dr. Dunlap says that her goal is to empower, interrupt, disrupt, and ameliorate the inappropriate and racialized handling of consumers in America today. Dr. Dunlap says that a struggle of hers is encouraging people to talk about race in a positive, productive way despite racism being one of the most dirty, demoralizing experiences black and brown have. Rev Dr Terrlyn turns the conversation to staying grounded in this work of dismantling racism. Dr. Dunlap says that patience and pacing yourself has helped her work through the frustration of this work.

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The second segment starts with the show coming back from break. This leads the conversation to Dr. Dunlap explaining the deeper meaning behind her statement “retail racism is not only about shopping”. Dr. Dunlap explains that it's also about humane living in America, including surviving and making sense of inequitable experiences, what to do about them, and the larger issues and contexts that surround the marketplace for black and brown people. Dr. Dunlap then gives an anecdote about how her initial interest in consumer behavior led her to understanding the real plight of black and brown people in America's marketplace and she shifted her focus to dismantle racism through her love of consumer behavior.

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The third segment opens with Rev Dr Terrlyn continuing the anecdote Dr. Dunlap was sharing before the break. Dr. Dunlap was discussing the level of authenticity that was very important to her when writing her book. She explained that publishers were trying to change the narrative of her stories and interviews and that keeping them fully intact was a top priority for her when writing her book Retail Racism. Dr. Dunlap then brings up general themes she discovered when completing her book. She explains that the feeling of being watched is a common theme amongst the people she interviewed. Dr. Dunlap says that the most common theme is trauma. The people she interviewed expressed a feeling of lasting trauma and anxiety from their experiences.

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The final segment starts with the show coming back from break. Rev Dr Terrlyn then asks Dr. Dunlap to share a story from her book. Dr. Dunlap then shares a story from one of the people she interviewed for her book Retail Racism. The story describes a time where this person was in a discount department store being followed by another customer in the store quite aggressively.

Race is a social construct and is not real. Yet, we place so much emphasis on it. From filling out forms at the doctor's office to completing the census and more, we ask people to check off the box that indicates their racial identity. Though there is an "other" box, it does little to accurately describe those who are biracial. They often have to pick a side not only on such forms but in life as well.

Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she and her guest, Annemarie Shrouder, discuss the complexities and challenges of growing up as a biracial woman of color.

They will discuss Annemarie's book "Being Brown in a Black and White World: Conversations for Leaders on Race, Racism, and Belonging." She is a leader in the world of diversity and inclusions and will share her personal and professional experience in this arena.

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The first segment opens with Rev Dr Terrlyn introducing today's show and guest. Today's show we welcome Annemarie Shrouder as her and Rev Dr Terrlyn discuss the complexities and challenge of growing up as a biracial woman of color. Annemarie Shrouder is a leader in the world of diversity and inclusions and will share her personal and professional experience in this arena. Today Rev Dr Terrlyn and Annemarie Shrouder will discuss Annemarie’s book “Being Brown in a Black and White World: Conversations for Leaders on Race, Racism, and Belonging”. Annemarie says that often the work she does can get overwhelming and stressful so finding things that keep her grounded is crucial to her line of work. Annemarie says that staying outdoors and her family are key elements in keeping grounded.

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The second segment starts with the commercial break ending and the show starting. In this segment Annemarie discusses the invisible place of either or and in some opinions not being black enough. Annemarie says that growing with a black father and white mother she felt out of place and that she didn't belong. This feeling of not belonging led to a mixed view of herself and how the world views her as a biracial woman. She explains that often she felt like she needed to be more white or more black, but was confused on what that even meant. Annemarie contributes this confusion, at no fault to, her mother who she would spend the most time with growing up. She explains having a white mother while existing as half black was difficult in her early life trying to traverse the black and white world we live in.

Segment 3

The third segment starts with the show coming back up from break. Rev Dr Terrlyn then picks the conversation back up with Annemarie discussing being biracial and how one embodies race. Annemarie continues the conversation discussing her experiences growing up in a predominately white culture and how that shaped how she saw herself. Annemarie says that as a child she wanted to be more prominent in her black culture, but having spent more time with her white mother growing up molded another perspective.

Segment 4

The final segment starts with the show coming back from break and Annemarie sharing how her experience influences the work she does. Annemarie says the war between either or, black or white, this or that, she experiences in her body, life, and very existence. This war between choosing one or the other has taught her that now more than ever we need to come together. Annemarie says that a main contributor to understanding race even in her adult life is her daughter.