Uncoupled & Unfiltered

Divorce in Chaos: Playing Chess with a Pigeon


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In this episode of Uncoupled and Unfiltered, I sit down with Mardi Winder, a Strategic Divorce Consultant and high-conflict divorce coach who helps high-achieving individuals navigate divorce with clarity, confidence, and control. Mardi guides clients to think strategically, stay grounded, and make decisions that protect not only where they are—but where they’re going.


We explore why high-conflict divorce dynamics are uniquely challenging, how to navigate the chaos while being targeted by a high-conflict party, and the surprising “side effects” of going through such a stressful experience. This episode is a must-listen for anyone facing a difficult divorce who wants to stay empowered and make smart, strategic choices.


Key Topics Covered:

  • High-conflict divorce: Is it like playing chess or checkers with a pigeon?
  • Why high-conflict divorce is different from any other divorce—and what that means for you.
  • Being in a relationship with someone who may have NPD: like a figurine in a snow globe—disorienting until the chaos settles.
  • Mediation during high-conflict divorce: it’s possible, but it must be done the right way.
  • Protecting children and preventing alienation in a high-conflict dynamic.
  • The unexpected “compliment” from your kids: how they notice and appreciate your parenting.
  • When litigation may be inevitable and how to present yourself strategically in court.
  • Finding the silver lining after going through high-conflict divorce—and there is one.


“When you get out up from under this type of a relationship, it's like the world is just open for you. Once you get that self-confidence, once you're able to recognize and acknowledge what you've gone through, because this is not easy. I mean, this is more difficult than most people are ever going to face.” - Mardi Winder


About Our Guest: Mardi Winder

Mardi Winder is a Strategic Divorce Consultant and High- Conflict Divorce Coach who helps high-achieving individuals navigate divorce with clarity, confidence, and control. Drawing on more than 30 years of experience in mediation, divorce coaching, and conflict resolution, she supports clients in making smart decisions while reducing emotional and financial fallout, particularly in high-conflict, high-asset, and complex divorces. Mardi is the founder of Positive Communication Systems, LLC, and the Strategic Divorce Directory, LLC.


Who This Episode Is For:

  • Individuals navigating a high-conflict divorce who want strategic guidance and clarity.
  • Anyone dealing with a partner who may have NPD or challenging personality traits.
  • Parents concerned about protecting their children and preventing alienation.
  • Those considering mediation or litigation and wanting to approach it confidently.
  • Anyone looking for hope, insight, and a silver lining after a difficult divorce experience.


Connect with Mardi Winder:

Website:  https://www.divorcecoach4women.com/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mardiwinderadams/ 


Connect with Ksenia Muench:

Website: https://www.thriveagaindivorcecoaching.com/ 

Website: https://www.highconflictplaybook.com/  

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thriveagaindivorcecoaching/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kvmuench/ 

Substack: https://substack.com/@thriveagaindc 

Email: [email protected] 


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Want to hear more podcasts like this one? Check out Dear Divorce Diary with Dawn Wiggins- https://mycoachdawn.com/divorce-podcast/


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Uncoupled & UnfilteredBy Ksenia Muench